User talk:Ellin Beltz/Archive 6

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Getting ready for 2017Edit

Activating new archive section for 2017.

Request for commentEdit

(reposting this post that I just left for Jee) Hello Ellin,

I hope this finds you well. Would you please be so kind as to comment on this conversation if your able to spare a moment: Commons:Featured_picture_candidates/File:2016_Newport_Beach_Boat_Parade_9_by_D_Ramey_Logan.jpg Thank you, --Don (talk) 02:06, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I love the photo, I'm not sure I'm qualified to comment on Featured Photo pages because what I love about pictures and what's important for an FP seem to be very different things! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
The most important consideration at FPC is a photo's wow factor. A photo has to be visually striking and impressive. I vote support for the images that speak to me and oppose for the rest. I don't worry terribly about noise and stitching errors... As long as you give FPC nominations an honest vote, the people at FPC will respect it and welcome you. You'd get to see some great stuff. And you don't have to vote on every image. If you just want to support a few images out of all the nominations, there's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to comment either unless you want to, or unless you vote oppose. If you want to support a nomination, a simple {{s}} ~~~~ is all that's required, and all that most of our voters do. lNeverCry 04:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

The RFC was designed at the commentary that Case created regarding copyrights of Christmas lights, I was hoping Ellin to comment on his perspective. --Don (talk) 12:18, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

ping WPPilot & INeverCry: I don't feel qualified to offer an opinion on temporary lighting on boats versus copyright. I don't personally think they'd be (c) but I have nothing to back that up one way or the other. As for not voting on FPC, the last time I expressed an opinion over there I was hounded for several weeks. That section of Commons is a closed shop, people from outside are not welcome - they make that obviously clear - and I have no desire to re-enter the "beauty pageant" and be kicked down again. Sorry, I love your photos, but I'm not interested in essentially useless arguments or getting people mad at me because I'm female and dare to have an opinion which doesn't agree with that expressed by someone with a penis. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:11, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Elin, I don't think we've had the pleasure of speaking before. I must respectfully disagree with you about FPC. I came there as a newbie only this spring and I've always felt welcome there. I don't even own a "real" camera and my photos are way outside the box, but I have so far been able to round up 22 FPs. Yes, there was some confusion at first when the gang there realized I was a woman, but I have never been mistreated because of that. A thick skin is always required in such competitive surroundings, but with time I'd like to think I've earned some respect from and friendship with the rest of the photographers there. My opinion seems to be valued, judging from the many votes that says "per Cart" and as you can see from my contributions, I'm not exactly sitting quiet in a corner. I was even asked to be one of the judges at WLM Bangladesh, something I considered a great honor. Since I became active there, I have also actively tried to help newcomers to learn the ropes at that section. I was previously active at the Teahouse on en-wiki and I've sort of continued that work here on Commons. I find it strange that an admin and bureaucrat can express themselves so undiplomatic about one of the sections of this site. I any case, I wish you a very Happy New Year! --cart-Talk 19:53, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Look, a blue sky up here!
Would you rather a victim display a lack of diplomacy, cart, or should they just lie and say everything was wonderful and perfect with little butterflies floating around? After what happened both on Commons and via emails after, I have no desire to participate in such a competitive endeavor - even to help out good photographers like Don. I thought the whole point of Commons was to be cooperative and work together on the project in a spirit of good faith and consensus, but I rapidly found out that was not the case in the FP corner at the time I tried to participate. Perhaps it has changed since - I surely hope so - but I have no interest to go over there and find out based on the beating I received the last time. Thanks for your note, I'm glad to make your acquaintance and also happy for you that you feel you belong. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:44, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
I was reluctant to respond but it seems you won't let this rest. This is now the third or fourth time you've chosen to make distasteful remarks about FPC participants on wiki, and equally as unnecessary as all the other times: you were asked a question about copyright concerns. Whatever happened to "having nice things to say or saying nothing"?
Above is a serious allegation that you were "hounded for several weeks" which as far as I can see is simply untrue (diffs please). Any conversations I'm aware of that involve you & FPC were mutually consensual and generally rather aggressively derogatory on your part. I'm not aware of any response made to you that was disrespectful or in any way approached "hounding" or made you a "victim". The duration of any conversation was of the order of a couple of days, hardly weeks. Your first and only FPC photo creation/nomination was FPX closed by Katie Chan, who does not, I believe, have a penis. Another nomination was successful eventually, and you appeared to be enjoying the process. And this nomination by your friend WPPilot was supported by you but almost nobody else. There was a discussion about "what makes an FP", where you gave strong opinions as much as anyone else, and concluded with "I'm not upset about any of these comments". I can only assume this also was not true. Serious allegations (houding/sexism/victim) require serious evidence. Making baseless allegations is not going to help attract other female photographers to the project. In your own words (today): "let's get back to working on the project, not on putting each other down". -- Colin (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't have to prove a thing to you. I would appreciate you not assuming bad faith on me and making baseless allegations. I am as entitled to my opinion as much as you are are entitled to yours. I had been thinking after cart's note above of looking into FP again, but now realize that the same problems are still there and it would be again be useless. Thank you for proving that better than I could have ever done. Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:32, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Wow, I know the photo your talking about, it was mine, and thank you for trying, really but I did try to warn you going in, if you recall :> I too was kind of "hounded" when I started back in again on FP and often wonder about the choices some make, yet the global group of skilled contributors contributions does give me a chance to see some truly wonderful photos with far more perspective then the other project FP programs. IMHO the contributors are a global group and forgive my ignorance, if I did not notice the "penis" requirement before ;) mine is still firmly attached and will remain that way, thank you. I know your a fan of my work and you were also one of the reasons I returned, that said I was only hoping for comment regarding the copyright of light issue. Did not mean to stir up any controversy. Happy New Year Ellin! --Don (talk) 00:56, 31 December 2016 (UTC)


Hi, the DR of[1] was obviously not valid, it has now been restored by the artist/uplaoder, and should not be deleted. The DR nominator does not seem to understand that the same image can be uploaded in several places by the same artist (see his other closed DRs). And the file should not have been deleted in any case. FunkMonk (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Yup FunkMonk, you're right on this one. Since the file is already back there's nothing left to fix! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
No, but just in case you deleted it again or other ones; there are other open DRs by the nominator of this artist's images, but I haven't closed them, since I already commented on them. FunkMonk (talk) 17:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Looks like between me and Cookie, we got em all. Thanks for the headsup. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Images députés espagnolsEdit

Bonjour, vous demandez la suppression des plus de 320 images que j'ai importées relatives aux députés espagnols. Le Congrès des députés autorise l'utilisation de leurs images si la source du Congrès est mentionnée. Au lieu de supprimer purement les fichier, il convient donc de rajouter la source [2] dans la description de chaque image. Merci ! --Raphaelb49 (talk) 18:17, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Greetings Raphaelb49: Please add a proper source to the images. The source you provided does not show each image. The source must lead to the image itself and to a page with the license of the image also. I am not going to do this for you, COM:EVID requires the person who uploaded the images to provide proper source for each one. Cheers.
Salutations Raphaelb49: Ajoutez une source appropriée aux images. La source fournie ne montre pas chaque image. La source doit conduire à l'image elle-même et à une page avec la licence de l'image aussi. Je ne vais pas le faire pour vous, COM: EVID demande à la personne qui a téléchargé les images de fournir la source appropriée pour chacune d'elles. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Bonjour Ellin Beltz. Pourquoi le même argumentaire utilisé sur File:José Manuel Maza 2017.png ne pose pas problème ? Qu'est-ce qui change par rapport aux photos de députés que j'avais importé ? --Raphaelb49 (talk) 15:57, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


Hi Ellin, I hope you're having a great day. I received a notification that an image which I posted on Wikipedia is nominated for deletion. The photo is File:Russell_Spanner.jpg. I'm hoping you can help me navigate correct way to give permission. The image is a digital photograph (taken by me) of an old printed photo (1930s, photographer unknown). The old printed photo was provided to me by the grandson of Russell Spanner. I don't have enough experience to know how to indicate copyright. Any help or wisdom is appreciated. Thanks, Jon — Preceding unsigned comment added by J1544k (talk • contribs) 19:31, 03 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi J1544k. You need the permission of the photographer or his/her heirs. The owner of the photo can't grant permission. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:51, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Dominican Republic Flags back on trackEdit

The User Santiago RD have been uploading made up Coats of Arms and flags of the Dominican Republic that were previously deleted [3], [4]. What can we do next? --Osplace (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Again the user is linked to pageant Miss Dominican Republic. --Osplace (talk) 12:09, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi Osplace: I'm pinging Fry1989 who is expert with flags to help here! I agree totally that these have been deleted before, and I'm asking for Fry's help to be 100% certain they should be deleted (again in some cases). Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I honestly don't know if these are real or fake. I try to have good faith in this issue, as they have been uploaded many many times and deleted. I have never seen an official source, but I think it is an awful lot of work for someone to do if they were fake. I opposed their deletion the last time this came up, out of good faith, but now I am not so sure. Fry1989 eh? 17:32, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Your monthly dose of unreasonableEdit

Have a look at File:MyPublisher would rather pay to ship 70 pounds of my photo book to them to destroy than allow me to keep the extra copies they sent (8282155525).jpg... lNeverCry 23:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

INeverCry Makes me want to make a "WTF" template. Thanks for the laugh! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:34, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Reminds me of some of the "free" gifts I've gotten over the years that came with a shipping bill... lNeverCry 00:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


disculpe ellin beltz pero en mi pagina de usurio vi que eliminaste una imagen "mia" con todo respeto esa imagen era "mia" la hise yo con un sotware editor y no estoy violando la ley del copyright y me preguntaba si podria deshacer la eliminacion de mi imagen,la imagen se llam bienvenidos a mi pagina.jpg espero su respuesta bye — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joni Gelp (talk • contribs) 08:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Joni Gelp: Copyrighted material, such as the drawing you copied (see here for one example of "Steven Universe" which is identical to the image you uploaded), is not permitted on Wikimedia Commons. Adding someone else's drawing to a few words is called a Derivative Work and it's still a copyright violation and doesn't make it your "own work" or "mia". Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:27, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Copyright transferEdit

Hi Ellin,

Thank you for your response

>Hi Toux! Please send permissions for the above images to COM:OTRS, it's a simple email. If you ever need any help with Commons, just leave me a message on my talk page (link follows my name)... and/or if you click on my name you'll go to my user page which has a lot of shortcuts and explanations to save you wading through the huge pile of pages of instructions. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:32, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

On the web page you referenced I read: "I am the copyright owner and my file is being hosted on Commons without permission." "Send us an email (to with as much information as possible about the problem, including the URL of the file on Commons, the URL of the place it was originally uploaded. We will review your request and if we find the file was uploaded without proper permission, it will be marked for deletion."

However, my ask is not marking file for deletion, but quite opposite: I would like to transfer the copyright and add a proper license to the existing file, if it became unlicensed by some reason.

I sent an email following the instructions at this page: in section "E-mail template for release of rights to a file", but I am not sure it was a proper action; and I don't know what to do next. Moreover, it has a line: "I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the following free license: Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International.[5]" But I already agreed on that when I initially uploaded the file, so I suggest this email will change nothing. I am total dummy in copyright questions, so I would be very appreciated if you comment on my situation and help me to undestand what I should do to allow my file on Wikimedia.

I help for to COM:OTRS I read: "Users who have sent a permission to OTRS but haven't received confirmation yet can use {{OTRS pending}} to tell others that it's in progress." What is meant by "use" here? (Where do I need to paste this code in curly brackets?)

regards Philip Toukach Toux (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Philip. I've added the OTRS Pending template to both of your uploads. If you've sent an email to OTRS, there could be a wait time of a few weeks. There's a big backlog of OTRS emails that the OTRS volunteers have to go through. Once an OTRS member gets to your email, they should be able to explain things in detail and process your permission. After your permission email is processed, you shouldn't have any further problems. Right now it's just a matter of waiting and being patient. Once you've gone through the OTRS process, the OTRS member handling your case will create an OTRS ticket that can be placed on your uploads by the OTRS member, showing that you've taken care of the copyright issue and the case is resolved. lNeverCry 07:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Dog and carEdit

I still say the bug and windshield bit is more amusing...   lNeverCry 07:57, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

  @ INeverCry

A kitten for you!Edit

Thank you for your help for new uploaders like Toux! :)

Rezonansowy (talk) 20:08, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Files article Madur KapilaEdit

The reason for proposed deletion of three photograph files is absurd. As a matter of fact, I do own all three cameras and several more. Besides, these photographs have been taken over several years and are very much my own work. Please remove the objections. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajeshwar Chahal (talk • contribs) 18:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

You got a camera you could spare? All I've got is a shitty Coolpix I bought in 2010... lNeverCry 21:40, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi Rajeshwar Chahal: Please discuss this at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Rajeshwar Chahal, nothing discussed on a talk page can be considered by the closing administrator. "Deletion Nominations" are not an "execution", they're what they are titled ... a "nomination". If there's a problem with it, reply at the page, and the closing administrator will add your statement to consideration. The people who really do own copyrights are usually glad that we're watching out for them. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:48, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

rejected picturesEdit

Hello Ellin,

some time ago, we wanted to upload some new pictures to our Hunkemöller-Wikisite, but most of these pictures weren't admitted by you. The reason for the rejection was a possible copyright infringement. Why did that happen and how can we solve the problem? Can you maybe retract the blockage, so we are able to try it once again? Hunkemöller has the rights for those pictures. They were shooted for different campaigns of us and were used after this. What do we have to do so that these pictures can be uploaded to our wikisite? Best regards, Danica Franke - Marketing Germany — Preceding unsigned comment added by LingerieAddict (talk • contribs) 12:25, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi LingerieAddict: First, you seem to have perhaps a misunderstanding of the scope of the project here. Commons is not hosting "your wikisite", there is no ownership of pages on the project. Also it is out of scope of the project to advertise products or companies. The images previously uploaded

Second letterEdit

Hello Ellin Beitz, thank you so much for your helpful answer! So, do we understand it correctly, that we aren't allowed to upload pictures of models in our products? We really didn't know that. :) Best regards, D. Franke — Preceding unsigned comment added by LingerieAddict (talk • contribs) 09:32, 13 January 2017 (UTC) Hi LingerieAddict: If you feel that the images are not promotional of specific products or services, please have the appropriate agent of your company read COM:OTRS and send the requested email to them. Understanding that our OTRS volunteers are also backed up, give the process about a month, and if the permissions are ok, the OTRS volunteers are able to restore the images. Please refrain from reuploading the exact same images until the OTRS is sorted out. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:48, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Files of user User:BavariaYachtbauEdit

Hi Ellin Beltz

I cannot understand your deletion of the files from the above user (i.e. File:Bavaria Cruiser 55 II.jpg). The account is confirmed to be linked to the Bavaria Company, so they clearly have the right to upload their company images. At the very least, there needs to be a deletion discussion about this. --PaterMcFly (talk) 09:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi PaterMcFly: The files exif data showed they were created by different people. So there is no single entity which created the images, thus it's not a company right to upload images issue, but rather one of images created by different people being claimed as own work, which they weren't. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Err... Obviously, these were promotional images by the company. Since it can be assumed that the company owns the rights to their promotional images, it's irrelevant who actually created them and that they where different people. --PaterMcFly (talk) 17:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Err PaterMcFly: Commons doesn't accept imaginary licenses. COM:EVID requires this information from the uploader, and COM:PRP protects the project. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:39, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
I know the rules. "Dubious own work claim" is not a reason for a speedy deletion, especially not if it's obvious that it should have said "we (the company) own the image rights". Also, we have an OTRS ticket (#2012022710009281) that may contain information about their images and at least contact details to clarify. --PaterMcFly (talk) 07:17, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Since Ellin's not an OTRS member, you'd be better off at COM:UDEL or COM:OTRS/N. As regards speedy deletion reasons, what's the point of spinning your wheels about that? The files have been deleted. Past tense. Should'a, could'a, would'a. BTW, when someone starts a comment with "Err", they just sound like a prissy little douchebag. lNeverCry 08:43, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
INeverCry: I'll go to COM:UDEL then. I didn't know how commons handles that, but over on dewiki we handle contested speedy deletions by creating an ordinary DR (and restoring the files/articles meanwhile, if they had been deleted already). Undeletion requests are only needed if the DR decision is to be reviewed. Never mind. --PaterMcFly (talk) 09:37, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

USGov sourcedEdit

You deleted File:Scott Taylor (politician).jpg, which was uploaded from a government facebook page with the metadata confirming that it was take by an employee of the US Gov. Thank you Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Greetings Secondarywaltz: I restored the image, based on the metadata; but are you aware that Facebook is an entirely "walled garden" and it is impossible for people not in Facebook (like myself) to check that photos are there? I cannot see that alleged "government facebook page" as facebook doesn't allow me to see anything unless it's checked somehow public - which the link on that file was not. Thus clicking on the link took me to a blank page that says "LOG IN TO SEE MORE", and obviously that's not going to happen. For PD-GOV photos, Facebook is not the source, perhaps you could find the real source of this image and put it on the file? Given that not everyone is allowed to see the source, and that 99.9% of the uploads from Facebook are copyvios, it would be best to find the real sources of the image. It doesn't happen often, but I'm sure you know it's possible to append false meta to photos - so we really need to see the source! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:31, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. This was originally uploaded by another editor and I just cleaned things up. I am advising people to find the original source for an official portrait and I generally tag Facebook sources as copyright. In this case, although it is Facebook, it did appear to be a government creation with valid metadata for the picture. A seemingly new naïve uploader, would have to go to a lot of work to set up a false page and change the photo data simply to upload here. Other unverified uploads were tagged as copyright. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Salud CarbajalEdit

Hi! A few days ago I uploaded a different version of a pre-existing file (File:Salud carbajal.jpg) that was simply the same photo with an higher resolution. Then I saw that you deleted that file for a copyright problem. Maybe you have to delete my file too then. File:Salud Carbajal.png. I'm sorry but I'm not an expert of Commons and copyright and I uploaded the file simply because it already existed in a lower resolution version. --Pierluigi05 (talk) 01:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC) Edit: However the photo is also here [5], maybe I just have to change the source? --Pierluigi05 (talk) 01:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Pierluigi05: I nominated the image for deletion, because I couldn't find it on the link you gave me. If you can find an actual link to the photo itself, please add that to the nomination so the closing admin can take a look at it. The man's page has a pile of photos on it, but none appears to be exactly the same as the one that is here. This is just a process, don't worry! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:35, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
You are right. The image on the link is not exactly the same but only the background is different. In the House website there is the same pfoto with a white background instead of the flag. As I said before, I'm not an expert of copyright and I usually don't upload images so I don't know if the background make a difference or not. --Pierluigi05 (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Rossignol Zymax Skating.pngEdit

Hello. I noticed you marked my picture File:Rossignol Zymax Skating.png to deletion due to copyright violation 2 years ago. I took the picture by myself. (The object was pair of cross-country skies.) Could it be undeleted? --Kulmalukko (talk) 13:39, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kulmalukko, Admin Yann deleted the image of two skis bearing the Rossignol logos. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Was it deleted because the logo was visible? Most of ski pictures have logo, should they be deleted (for example here)? --Kulmalukko (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi Kulmalukko, You'd have to ask Yann his exact reasoning on the close. I nominated your picture, but he closed it. It would be best to ask Yann to review it, and go to COM:UNDEL if there's any other problems. For the "other stuff exists", we do have a significant backlog in administrative tasks. Thanks for pointing that out! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi Kulmalukko,
I restored your image, and created a DR instead. It may in fact be acceptable. Regards, Yann (talk) 08:42, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Ok. --Kulmalukko (talk) 10:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

You've got mailEdit

There is a message in your mailbox that awaits your answer as a matter of urgency. Can you kindly have a look at it, please? odder (talk) 18:58, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

  Done Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Bujdosó Márton: the unshapeable shock night... (G. M. Hopkins), audio and scoreEdit

Hi, Ellin! Excuse me: I don't understand the arguments for the deletion of my score and audio.

This is my own, original composition, in the title quotes a verse from the English poet G. M. Hopkins (1844-1889). The musical material of the piece contains no musical quotation or transcription, (not even from free materials). The work was performed three times in Hungary and Slovakia, on contemporary music festivals. I myself (through the good offices of Attila Szervác, librartist, creator of my Hungarian Wikipedia article) want to publish it with CC BY SA licence.

The audio file, recording of my work at concert, was an illustration of the Hungarian Wikipedia article.

What is the real reason of "out of scope" qualification? Ticket#: 2016112510017171. BUJDOSÓ Márton (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi BUJDOSÓ Márton: The file was deleted by Jcb. Please go to the deleting administrator for explanation of the final decision. As stated in its entry, the file was nominated based on Commons:Deletion requests/ the unshapeable shock night... (Gerard Manley Hopkins).pdf where the pdf which was uploaded a couple of times was removed. BTW, Commons is not a personal webhost for personal pages, and not everything everyone on earth does is within scope of the project. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Ellin, thank you, I understand. Yes, not everything on earth. But, am I ask you, that this piece, to your opinion, why not? This is an accepted, more time performed piece in community of musicians in Hungary, and illustration of an accepted Hungarian Wikipedia article. What are those requirements, which are not complied? BUJDOSÓ Márton (talk) 11:52, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi BUJDOSÓ Márton: The file was deleted by Jcb. Please go to the deleting administrator for explanation of the final decision. From my perspective as nominator, notability was the primary consideration. Searching your name turns up a Wikipedia article, a Commons category, a twitter and not much else. The "references" on the wiki page are recursive, and a lack of notability was stated on the first Deletion Nomination close. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
thank you, this is (at long last) straight talk. Certainly, I am not the most acknowledged and frequently played Hungarian composer. But I supposed, the aim of an encyclopaedia, as large and as open as wikipedia, is not only to give information about the most widely known composers, but make more widely known the not so much great composers :) (if they are up to the mark.) However, uploading of this piece was based not on my own ambition, but on the reception of the piece among experts and public. (The "recursive >references< on the wiki" shows, that the piece was performed on the Transparent Sound Festival, by the Thrensemble, an important festival and an outstanding ensemble, you can view their websites.) I supposed, this is enough. But, if the measure of notability is Kurtág, Eötvös and Vidovszky, or it is indispensable to be a prize-winner on composer's competition, I myself will propose the deletion of the wikipedia article about me. Excuse me for obstinacy. BUJDOSÓ Márton (talk) 21:47, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


The files uploaded here User talk:Ashboy65 seem to indicate that it is a sockpuppet of banned User talk:Patchy34 and User talk:Icesk8terr. Secondarywaltz (talk) 01:23, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

File:Benjamin Zuckerman HR 8799 planets image Dec. 2010.jpgEdit

Hi Ellin Beltz!

Can you undelete the above file for a brief period so that I can import it to Wikiversity for fair use? Thank you in advance for your kind consideration! Marshallsumter (talk) 01:54, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Marshallsumter: Sorry for the long weekend delay, it's been restored for you to move. Please let me know when you're done! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:08, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
@Ellin Beltz: Transfer process complete! Thank you! --Marshallsumter (talk) 22:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:EthnicmapBulgaria.pngEdit

The file is not in use now. What can be done?--Nonemansland (talk) 20:10, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nonemansland: See now. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi EllinEdit

Nice to hear from you. Hope to see more of your photos, I really like the spider on rose, nice.. I shot this one today:

Balboa Peninsula by D Ramey Logan

, I hope this finds you well, Cheers!! --Don (talk) 06:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Recent requests for deletionEdit

Hi Ellin,

You recently submitted deletion requests for some photos of FANUC robots that we've submitted for Wikipedia. My guess is that is because you're wondering whether or not they're breaking copyright. They are not. This is the corporate account for FANUC America Corporation, and we submit these photos in order to effectively reflect our products used in this industry.

If you have any questions or require some sort of proof of ownership, I would be happy to provide anything you need. Please see my contact information below.

Thank you for your attentiveness and in advance for your consideration in this matter. Have a great day!

Best Regards, Kiel L. Vedrode FANUC America Corporation (248) 377-7256 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoboGuru (talk • contribs) 17:03, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

RoboGuru At present they are copyright violations because there is no official permission from the company, only your claim of "own work" which they are not. There is no such thing as a "corporate account" here, and since all accounts are anonymous without OTRS, this needs to be verified. Please follow the procedure at COM:OTRS. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion questionEdit

Hi Ellin. Can you possibly provide me the text that accompanied the image you deleted here: File:ShireDraftHorse.jpg? I did not have the image watchlisted and did not realize that it was nominated for deletion until it was deleted (and then I noticed the change on the article that appeared on my WP watchlist, etc...). I cannot recall if I was the original uploader somewhere long ago or not (if I was, I can probably figure out where I got it). I don't know if anyone sought to dig for the image (I'm pretty good at surfing the federal government sites for agricultural images). At any rate, if I can verify the image, I'd like to restore it, so if you could shoot me just whatever textual info that image had along with the page history (so I can determine how it was uploaded) that might help me in the search. Thanks. Montanabw (talk) 00:07, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Montanabw,
{{Information||Description=Shire Draft Horse Source: [ USDA]|Source=|Date=|Author=User [[:en:User:Flyhighplato|Flyhighplato]] on [ en.wikipedia]|Permission={{PD-USGov-USDA}}|other_versions=Originally from [ en.wikipedia]; description page is (was) [[:en:Image:ShireDraftHorse.jpg|here]]* 18:09, 11 November 2004 [[:en:User:Flyhighplato|Flyhighplato]] 640x427 (385,249 bytes) <span class="comment">(Shire Draft Horse {{PD-USGov-USDA}} Source: [ USDA])</span>}} Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:26, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. If I can verify the info, can you just restore or do I have to re-upload a completely new version? Montanabw (talk) 00:37, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Montanabw, We can restore images if proper info is found.   Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:59, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


Newport Beach Aerial Sunset

--Don (talk) 05:47, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Don: You get all the good light! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Strange closure !Edit

Your closed this DR as "Kept: no valid reason for deletion"... but deleted the file ! I admit that I had not explained the reason but it was obvious wit the given link : copyvio, no proof of permission. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 08:33, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi TwoWings: That looks like a "fat-finger" mistake and I have fixed it! Thank you for pointing it out! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:34, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


Hello. Thanks for your message. I am traveling at the moment so I can't reply super quick. I have this issue here: [6] - the case just seems absurd to me. Do you have any suggestion for what to do? I have two more problems. One is similar to the above, but the other is a case here a map of mine got deleted which shouldn't have been deleted. This user [7] deleted my map because someone said that the filename was wrong and that the data was the same as another map. But that was not the case at all. The other map was a map of 1953 - [8] , but the map that was deleted was a map for 1961. How does one consider 1953 and 1961 to be the same I don't know. Any advice or assistance would be appreciated. (Lilic (talk) 22:03, 8 February 2017 (UTC)) I saw undeletion request information on your page, so I followed the links and hopefully this will work! (Lilic (talk) 22:15, 8 February 2017 (UTC))

I see you've already received assistance at Cheers. Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:00, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Deletion File:Casio vl1 rock1.oggEdit

Hello, you deleted this file. The reason given for the deletion request was "It's not "Own work", it's". That is not correct. The deleted sound sample was a recording of a pre-programmed beat ("rock") that is included in the Casio VL-1 and is free for everyone to use. Trio only used this beat in the Da Da Da song. Please undelete the file. Thanks, best regards --Nobody perfect (talk) 08:08, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nobody perfect: The template (|Description={{de|1=Casio VL1 Rock-1}}|Source={{Own}}|Author=[[User:Havelbaude|Havelbaude]]) read "own work" which it clearly was not. If Casio has released it free of copyright, that information should have been attached to the file template. As it was, it wasn't own work, was nominated and deleted. I'd suggest going to COM:UNDEL to get a second opinion. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:18, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

File:Bord de rivière en automne Leroy-Dionet.JPGEdit

Hi, This edit seems to imply that Edmond Leroy (1860-1939) took this photograph of his painting. It seems unlikely. -- Asclepias (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Fixed now, I was trying to add it, not remove what was already there, thanks for the headsup. Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Pictures to deleteEdit

I have noticed you recommended some picture to delete. I indeed made a mistake with some of them about the source. I took some pictures of old pictures because the person want 's to keep them in storage. This are my first uploads on Wikipedia and sometimes I run into a wall. But I am learning as fast I can. I do not find a way to restore the mistakes. Some of them I even want to delete but there is no direct possibility to do that? I hope the pictures that I named "correct" (even if they are a picture of a picture) may stay. Excuses for the ugly English. With kind regards Jahil Debaets (talk) 19:42, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jahil Dabaets, Pictures of pictures are called "derivative works", please see COM:DW for more. The problem is, your account is new, and you did not tell me the names of the files which were deleted. Did you use a different user name to upload them? Best wishes! Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:18, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Dear Administrator Wikipedia, Mr. Ellin Beltz, I recently started to use Wikipedia and find myself in difficulty because, quite rightly, have to follow its rules and it is not easy to remember them all, so I apologize in advance for mistakes. I wrote an item taking into account the 5 pillars of writing on Wikipedia, considering and experiencing the “be encyclopedia entry” the subject of the voice, trying to be as neutral as possible in the argument of the biography but, my voice, in cancellation. I read that to oppose the cancellation, I have to open a discussion. The problem is that I have not qualified to do so.

What can I do to improve the voice and avoid its cancellation? With regard to the earlier report in which it says that the photos are copyright infringement is found, I'm sure that the subject of the item can prove the possession. Also I kindly ask authority to wikipedia, more time to improve the missing or absent sources, thanks infinitely and best regards

p.s. I apologize for my English is not very correct, but it is not my native language

Antonio.mongiello — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonio.mongiello (talk • contribs) 14:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Antonio.mongiello; I am hoping your language might be Italian, in which case administrator Ruthven might be able to explain better than I could. Some simple things: Wikipedia is not the same as Wikimedia Commons. Look in upper left corner of your screen and you will see that this is Commons. The individual projects, English, Italian, French, and so on Wiki-pedias may and often do have different rules than each other and certainly different than commons. The first thing to read is COM:L. You can't take photos of other people's pictures, say "own work." However, it is possible to upload other people's work - if you put the proper license on it. See COM:HIRTLE for a good idea of the process. The image has to be free of copyright in its home nation as well as in the U.S., the latter because that's where the servers are. I hope this is of some help and that admin Ruthven can help with more! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:17, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Italiano: Ciao Antonio.mongiello, il fatto è che la pagina che hai contribuito a scrivere (Robby Cantarutti) sulla Wikipedia italiana è considerata promozionale: scrivere di persone poco riconosciute nel loro campo è considerata più pubblicità che conoscenza libera proprio perché molti utenti in malafede sfruttano Wikipedia per darsi risalto e visibilità. La procedura di cancellazione è un atto fisiologico e normale per rimuovere voci non rilevanti. Il luogo migliore per parlarne è proprio nella procedura di cancellazione, per raccogliere le opinioni di tutti, ma se cancellano la voce non scoraggiarti e scrivi magari di un designer più conosciuto come Kisho Kurokawa oppure Richard Meier.
English: Resume for Ellin: the article Robby Cantarutti on itwiki is suspected to be COM:ADVERT, so it is being discussed, which is the regular procedure to get rid of irrelevant articles. I encourage Antonio to center hi efforts on more important architects where he'll find more support and less problems for a beginner, e.g. Kisho Kurokawa or Richard Meier. Thanks --Ruthven(msg) 07:45, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
I thank both director Ellin Beltz and coordinator Ruthven for clear and comprehensive explanations. I tried to create a non-existent voice of a young architect who in just 20 years has created many works. I did not know that the photos had a copyright but the authorship of the works I am sure, belong to the item proposed. Thank you very much for the encouragement to write the great authors such as Kisho Kurokawa and Richard Meier, I'm honored, but I do not think height, thank you my best regards--Antonio.mongiello (talk) 22:38, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Ringrazio entrambi Direttore Ellin Beltz e coordinatore Ruthven per le spiegazioni chiare ed esaustive. Cercavo di creare una voce inesistente su un architetto giovane che in soli 20 anni ha realizzato molte opere. Non sapevo che le foto avessero un copyright ma della paternità delle opere ne sono certo, appartengono alla voce proposta. Vi ringrazio molto per l'incoraggiamento a scrivere di grandi autori quali: Kisho Kurokawa e Richard Meier, ne sono onorato ma non credo all'altezza, vi ringrazio i miei migliori saluti--Antonio.mongiello (talk) 22:38, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

DPR awardsEdit

See also Commons:Deletion_requests/2017/02/10#File:Орден «За воинскую доблесть» III степени (ДНР).png and below. MaxBioHazard (talk) 07:34, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Domrey sarEdit

Dear Ellin Beltz, I'm a french specialist of Cambodian language. I'm started to improve the informations available about Cambodian/khmer literature in Wikipedia (very poor now). Why did you remove the photos of Soth Polin ("Soth Polin")? It's just screen captures I took from the trailer of his son's film: I know his son, and there is no problem, he's ok, he will send me soon the original photos (we are making a book). I think it's very important to show his face in wikipedia. With best regards, Domrey sar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Domrey sar (talk • contribs) 08:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Domrey sar: Did you read about Commons licensing before making the uploads? Wikimedia Commons cannot accept unfree material. Since you didn't create the images, to say they are "own work" is not true. Thus the images were removed since you do not have the rights to license them. Please read COM:L before making more uploads. I am glad you and your friends are actively creating art; however it's not part of the scope of this project to provide you or your friends with publicity - and especially not with copyright violation materials! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:27, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Khun SrunEdit

Dear Ellin Beltz, I'm not an "artist", but a scholar, specialist of Khmer language and Culture. I don't write "about myself or about my friends" but about Khmer writers (some of them are dead). Please, make the difference. With best regards, Domrey sar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Domrey sar (talk • contribs) 02:21, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Domrey sar: Regardless of your relationship with the other people, the copyrights to the materials you uploaded are not yours. Please read COM:L before making more uploads. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Foto Partido RabotnickiEdit

Sin problemas, borrarla si procede. Saludos --Víctor Eclipsado (talk) 09:49, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

All the pictures removedEdit

Dear Ellin Beltz, I don't understarnd why was removed all the pictures of my pages about Cambodian writers (Soth Polin, Chuth Khay, etc.) I took me a long time to do it. I have the feeling that somebody (with good intentions, I'm sure) destroyed my work.For the photos of people, I unsterstand. I'm new in Wiki. Next time I will be pay more attention. But for the photogramms of a documentary film (I wrote the credit!) and the cover of the books (??), and the photos I took of articles of newpapers from the 1970's, I really don't unsterstand. I think I cannot use commonswikimedias anymore, I thinh any photo I will insert will be remove immediatly. Please have a look, and help me if you have time. Best regards, Domrey Sar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Domrey sar (talk • contribs) 05:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Domrey sar: No one "destroyed your work." What happened - as you were told before - is that you cannot claim "own work" for things which are not yours. You did not write the newspapers, nor the books. You were referred to COM:OTRS as the permission system which you needed to use for items to which you claimed rights. You have also been helped along the way, the pages tell you to click on links, like COM:L and COM:OTRS and I do not think you have done that. Until you read and understand COM:L it is likely that your uploads will be removed. Commons isn't Facebook, it doesn't accept any images with unfree licenses as you will read on the COM:L pages. Once you read that, it will become more clear and someday you will look back and go "oh I see what the problem was". Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:53, 26 February 2017 (UTC)



Soy Alejandro Corlett acorletti, y no sé que está sucediendo con mis imágenes (son de mi propiedad) y no sé porqué se están proponiendo para su borrado. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acorletti (talk • contribs)

Acorletti The discussion is at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Acorletti. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:50, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

"Modern architecture"Edit

There is no difference in the U.S. in the copyright status of a 100 year old building and a piece of "modern architecture". All architecture in the U.S. is free to be photographed; it was a condition of the law that afforded buildings copyright protection. No permission is required to take pictures from a public place of a building, no matter how old or new it is. I am not an admin, so I cannot see the two images you deleted as being "modern architecture without permission", but if they are buildings in the U.S., you need to restore them. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I should know better than to keep typing after a phone call. My mistake. It should have been the last two kept. I have now fixed that. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks very much. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:56, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


Please restore this image Link:

This image was deleted from reason this delete request: This image was deleted from reason this delete request: Copyright violation without OTRS permission; keep an eye on source on the, no free license; there is need to have agreement from the Czech Catholic Church via (Terms of use in Czech, above all last section) Kacir (talk) 02:08, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

But I sent email author / owner of his image - Roman Albrecht, which created this photo.

He sent email on OTRS and he agree with Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International for this picture.

Email in CZ language from him to OTRS:

Od: Roman Albrecht <> Odesláno: 13. března 2017 13:07 Komu: Kopie: Richard Kocman Předmět: Souhlas autora

Já, autor Roman Albrecht fotografie: biskup-tomas-holub.jpg, souhlasím s tím, aby tato moje fotografie byly zveřejněna prostřednictvím Wikimedia Commons ( pod licencí Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (zkrácené české znění:; plné znění: Beru na vědomí, že toto dílo může být libovolně upravováno a přebíráno dalšími stranami k jakémukoli účelu včetně komerčních.

-- Roman Albrecht

File:Ely Dagher portrait.jpgEdit

File:Ely Dagher portrait.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

I am Ely Dagher, and beaverandbeaver is my production company. You mentioned this photo is the same as and thats because thats the page of my short film and i put it there. Can you please help stop deleting my pictures ? I also tried to upload screenshots and poster of my short film on the film's page but it was also all removed. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beaverandbeaver (talk • contribs)

Greetings. Since your account Beaverandbeaver is anonymous, you need to follow the suggestion given by Wdwd at the link given on your talk page Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ely Dagher portrait.jpg (which is the short-hand way of getting to from pages in Commons). Wdwd suggested that you file the simple form at COM:OTRS to link your anonymous Beaverandbeaver account to your real name. I am sure you would be super happy if we had caught someone else uploading your images here and claiming them as own work. It's unfortunately not uncommon the people upload the work of others as their own. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Unnamed section by F-5 ReporterEdit

Haceme un favor fantasma no te metas con mi post de Tiger Meet, yo aclaré que esa imagen no es mía así que no metas tu nariz donde nadie te llamó. — Preceding unsigned comment added by F-5 Reporter (talk • contribs)

No tengo ni idea de lo que te quejas, el administrador te bloqueó Yann. I have no idea what you are complaining about, you were blocked by administrator Yann. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:12, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I guess it has to do with COM:Deletion requests/File:Insignia Tiger Meet.jpg. Not being an admin I can’t see the page history myself, but was there anything in the description to mitigate the (presumably boilerplate) “own work“ claim? If there‘s mention of a free source it may be possible to research the licensing and salvage the file. If not, I have no idea where the user might have “clarified that the image is not [his or hers]“; there’s nothing to that effect in his or her extant contributions here AFAICT. Was the file discussed on esWP, perhaps?—Odysseus1479 (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
For the record, this file was deleted 3 times by 3 different admins, each after being reuploaded by F-5 Reporter. It is a logo copied from Facebook without permission or any evidence of a free license. Regards, Yann (talk) 14:09, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Oh, clearly a waste of time, then. Sorry for contributing to that.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 19:29, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


Hello again! You said to bother you with any issues/questions I had about adding images from my company's archives. In creating a few pages, I want to be able to add images from said archives. There are only a few images I want to add: an image published in a company newsletter of the President and Vice President of the company (taken 1969), a professional picture taken of the President and vice president (taken in 1970 and 1985 respectively), and an image of the vice president at the New York Stock Exchange in 1973. All images were taken by company employees during the 70s and 80s and are now owned by the family of the president/vice president. What course of action should I be taking regarding copyright laws? Thank you!! -- Kellypm94 (talk) 16:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kellypm94: Permission is needed from the copyright holder. I would assume the newsletters were copyright and whoever controls that copyright would do the simple process at COM:OTRS. It depends on your agreement with the professional photographer who owned the copyright (photographer or company); if you can resolve that and have the responsible party contact COM:OTRS, that would be best. "Ownership" of a print doesn't convey copyright. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I am not sure how this works, i honestly am very bad at this, but i upload photos which always end up being deleted. Now it is again a picture of me taken by me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellypm94 (talk • contribs)

I will look on your talk page to get the link to help you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


Hi Kellypm94: I have reviewed your contributions:
There are two images with Deletion Nominations:
  • Three of your other images have COM:OTRS pending tags:
  • The others are PD-1923. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate your help, again! I thought I looked hard enough to see if the sculpture image was allowed, but I see now I was in the wrong. I'd understand if it's deleted, and if I have time in the future to contact Elmer Petersen, it would be okay to re-upload it after deletion?
Also, I didn't post anything about "a picture taken of me by me." I was very confused that that is signed as me, as I couldn't remember ever posting it. It looks like it was some Beaverandbeaver? Here's the history of the page: I don't know how it ended up being signed by me at some point...? -- Kellypm94 (talk) 14:01, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Kellypm94 That comment you didn't understand is of no importance! Someone edited my talk page and it appeared as if you had left a different question, but it was someone else. No worries!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

rename requestEdit

I uploaded File:Keilana.jpg and it should be named File:Keilani.jpg, can you update it please. Thank you. --Don (talk) 13:24, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:10, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

File:Shawn Christensen 2017 Sundance Film Festival.jpgEdit

This file that you deleted had an OTRS template added since I tagged it as copyright. Secondarywaltz (talk) 23:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I came here for this. Could it be undeleted while the copyright holder's email to is processed? DarthBotto (talk) 02:54, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Secondarywaltz & DarthBotto: I see that it had OTRS, but I also see it's "Salt Lake Tribune" professional photo. If/when the OTRS is received, the OTRS administrators are able to restore the file. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:44, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

File:MNHN Edificio, terremoto 1927.JPGEdit

Hello, I work at the National Natural History Museum of Chile, I've got access to the museum photographic archive, and authorization to use the pictures. I would appreciate assistance to license correctly the images so they wont be deleted. Thanks --Jisa39 (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jisa39: There's two parts to this: About the image deleted The image above was deleted by admin Jcb no indication for publication before 1962.. If the image was published prior to 1962, then {{PD-Chile}} licence can be applied. For all images, the source and author of the image needs to be more clearly stated, this one had the following on its template: |source=Museo Nacional de Historia Natural |author=Museo Nacional de Historia Natural with date 2010-05-18 17:04:49 which can't be accurate if the title "...1927.jpg" is correct. Also, Museums are rarely photographers, but often the names are known by the institution. Please find out who took the picture, if perhaps this image was published by the museum and if so, when and where. If it was published before 1962, it would be PD-Chile and the Museum's explicit permission would not be needed. About your permission to upload Museum images For approval of your account having permissions access to the Natural History Museum, please file COM:OTRS. Obviously all Commons accounts are anonymous, so OTRS approval (and its attached approval number) will help solve both this and future issues.The admins at COM:OTRS are able to restore images if everything is ok. Cheers. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:28, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Elin. Thanks for your response. Some of the pictures deleted were took by myself, and other I provided an author and source. Also there are other that are correctly erased, due to inexperience uploading them. I would very much appreciate assistance to upload them correctly and avoid this massive erase of pictures. Thanks again for your help. --Jisa39 (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
If you think a file has been deleted unnecessary, you can request undeletion at COM:UDR, explaining why you think that the file should be undeleted. As for the PD-Chile rationale, please be aware that we cannot consider an author to be 'unknown' just because we at Wikimedia Commons don't know who the author is. Also many pictures are not published shortly after creation. They may be in some archive for many years, so it has to be shown how and when it was published if you wish to use it. For pictures older than 120 years with unknown author you can use {{PD-old-assumed}}. Jcb (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Objection for deleting free photosEdit

Hello Ellin;

I noticed that you deleted one of my photos for (copyright violation) (File:Street Graffiti in Amman.jpg). How come!? that photo was taken by me. it's still available in my mobile along with the same view from different angels. I submitted it to commons for free use as I did with many others. Please explain to me what was violated and how can we get it back. Also other photos were marked for deletion for the same reason. That's disappointing. --Mervat Salman (talk) 19:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mervat Salman: As explained on the Deletion Nominations (where you have commented), these images are of stuff you didn't make. Each has an image on it, therefore these are COM:DW, Derivative Works, of someone else's pictures. As for getting them back, you need to get COM:OTRS permission from the actual creators of those tickets (and their photos). It's a simple email, perhaps the creators of those tickets will be interested in having their work freely licensed - but you can't do it for them. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Ellin Beltz: does taking a photo for a paint in a street needs a permission from the creator? didn't they already donate their production to the city already? --Mervat Salman (talk) 21:10, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Mervat Salman: Sorry, I can't answer that question for every painting on every street in every country of the world. Please see COM:FOP to get started on your answer! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:00, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Good Afternoon.Edit

I would just like to take this time to apologize for something that I have said to you a few months ago. I realize it was very immature, and very hypocritical. You handled my attitude with maturity and wit. Once again, from the bottom of my heart, I am terribly sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lotsoflogos (talk • contribs) 18:40, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Lotsoflogos Thank you so much for this note!! I really appreciate it!! HUGS!Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2017 (UTC) (P.S. It wasn't *that* bad!)

Book promotion?Edit

Hello there Ellin Beltz. I have a concern about a large group of images uploaded by this editor. For example, this photo indicates that it is from the book Queer Places, Vol. 1.2, by Elisa Rolle. This is the same name as the editor, although I haven't found any of the photos posted on copyrighted sites. Would you have a moment to look into this? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 22:20, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

I see that everything they've uploaded are huge files from same camera. Their user name is same as author name. If you have serious doubt you could request they file COM:OTRS to tie their account name to their real life name, but other than that, I don't see a problem. The images are of very high quality and large size, and consistent. Those factors contribute to the belief that it is the original photographer doing the uploads. It would be similar if I uploaded images which were already published in one of my books; but my publisher would have a cow! Thank you very much for bringing this forward.   Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:18, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
There has also been no attempt to create a Wikipedia article about herself, so it's all good. More great photos. I was myself torn about adding my treasured image of Hoohoo, but the world deserves to see HooHoo. All the best and thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:09, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Magnolia677: <3 @ Hoohoo.   Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:42, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

NASA's Swift Satellite Captures Asteroid 2005 YU55 Flyby (video) (6333653934).jpgEdit

Can you reconsider your decision? This video frame is not "the best shot", it was grabbed automatically from the "NASA ASTROPHYSICS" trailer, which is everywhere the same in this series. The image shows not the 2005 YU55 flyby and is therefore confusing and superfluous. Thank you --Ras67 (talk) 13:44, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ras67: Certainly I will reconsider, but your nomination read "I see new educational value in this particular video frame, i've uploaded the whole video!" Therefore if there is "new educational value in this particular video frame" it's within COM:SCOPE and should be kept. If there is a "best shot" or a "better name" let's work to fix it, but there's no reason to remove educational images from the project. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:29, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
There is no new educational value, it's a meaningless trailer image. Should we overwrite it with a "true" screenshot of 2005 YU55? But this is against COM:OVERWRITE. Greetings --Ras67 (talk) 16:18, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Ras67: If you upload a better one as a new file and then set out your reasoning in a new deletion request for the old one COM:OVERWRITE would not be at issue. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

per nominationEdit

Is it normal practice on Commons? delete unique files without explanation on nominations where the only reason for deletion is "OTRS permission is preferable"?--Алый Король (talk) 00:59, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Алый Король: The link to the file you are questioning needs to be provided as there is no way to find the particulars without it. I looked on your talk page, and did not see any of the recent templates on your page relating to deletions referred to a situation like this. Please advise! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
This one. --Алый Король (talk) 06:19, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi Алый Король: That image had no permission from the creator whose name and website were given. Commons needs permission from the actual creator, and does so through the COM:OTRS process. So to answer your question specifically about this file, "Yes, it is normal practice on Commons to remove files which do not have permission - via the upload template for 'own work' or via COM:OTRS from the photographer/creator if not the uploader." Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

A W LawrenceEdit

Hi. Can you or someone explain to me why the file File:Youth-lawrence-cambridge.jpg was deleted as a copyright violation from the A. W. Lawrence article I started, please? I took the photo myself some years ago and did not get a courtesy message to say it was being considered for deletion. I don't know in what way it was a copyvio as I took it myself and I cannot find a copy on my hard drive and don't want to have to drive all the way over to Cambridge to take it again. Thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 20:29, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jack1956 : The image came from where it is marked "non-commercial" which is incompatible with Commons Licenses. You can send the easy email to COM:OTRS and those editors can restore the file when the licensing issue is settled. That'll save you the drive! The lack of notification occurred because you uploaded it to Wikipedia, but it became delinked from your name when it was moved to Commons by a bot! So sorry about that, but the system is unfortunately not set up to do that! In any case your easiest solution is through COM:OTRS. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:03, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks... I've sent them an email but I'm resigned to having to take it again. Jack1956 (talk) 23:34, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Roundel of AngolaEdit

Hi Ellin, if you have a moment can you take a look at this file, I've reverted it to it's original image per - Overwrite policy. Now it's been reverted again, and I don't want to start an edit war, but the file does seem to have a major change to it. Thoughts - Thank you FOX 52 (talk) 21:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi FOX 52: Have you discussed this with Fry1989? I don't see any talk page discussion, etc. FYI those two emblems are historically one after the other in the history of the Angolan airforce according to the second page given as source, The one with the star was older. The best advice I can give you is to talk to Fry1989 and ask what's up. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:18, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
The overwrite policy does not apply in this situation. The roundel was changed a few years ago. I'm following regular practice for images when that happens. Take a look at what we did for the file history of flag of Malawi. When the flag was changed in 2010, we uploaded the new flag over the file, and migrated the old flag to a separate file. That is because "Flag of ..." is the common naming convention. Uploading the new flag would cause a mess and require all sorts of image replacements. That is exactly what I have done for the roundel of Angola. I would appreciate FOX 52 leaving this alone. Fry1989 eh? 16:15, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I can see the rationale for keeping current emblems under standard filenames, but simply overwriting makes for a messy attribution; after a few uploads it can often be difficult to figure out who did what to which version, and the descriptive information can become stale. Wouldn’t it be better to move the obsolete file to something like File:Roundel of Angola 19xx-20xx.svg, without leaving a redirect, and then upload the current emblem under the standard name? That way there’d be no doubt as to which parts of the description, attribution, &c. belong to which version of the artwork, and it would keep the old emblem available for use where still appropriate, in historical contexts.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
I do not have the authority to rename files without a redirect. If an admin is willing to do so, I will accept that and upload the new roundel again. Fry1989 eh? 17:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, @Fry1989, I thought filemovers could do that. Is it possible to upload a file over a redirect? If so, that would also prevent the file from showing as a redlink on pages where it’s used, during the (presumably brief) interval between the move and the new upload. At any rate, even if it does require admin assistance I think the benefits ought to outweigh the inconvenience. That said, I hesitate to put a value on other peoples’ time: you can certainly take my bystander’s opinion with a grain of salt.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Sadly not. I have to request admins to delete the redirect for me. It used to be possible to upload over a redirect, but it doesn't seem to work any more. Fry1989 eh? 18:20, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
I will make a request on the Admin noticeboard for the migrations. Fry1989 eh? 17:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Revision Delete RequestEdit

Hello Ellin Beltz! Can you delete this revision on template:Speedydelete/id page? Also this revision on File:Gedung TransTV.jpg? Thank you. Tiktomoro (talk) 03:39, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

  Done for file. The template seems to be already fixed, and unless there's something libelous in the edit which was reverted, there's no reason to hide and protect, is there? Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
(I came accidentally here and read this.) Ellin, put the incriminated revision in Google translation. I think, a version delete would be appropriate here. — Speravir – 17:23, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Speravir:   Done. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:58, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


Hi Ellin Beltz, judging from your edits you seem to be frustrated with files that are nominated for speedy deletion and kept. It's a bit pointy to nominate files, which you acknowledge yourself, are in the public domain. That just spreads the negative vibe. Maybe try to be a bit more mellow? Much appreciated and keep up the good work. Multichill (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Multichill: I'm sorry but I've done too much editing in the last week to exactly what you're talking about, but to the best of my knowledge, I only nominate files for which there is some problem which requires consensus or research. I don't recall being frustrated at anything except the sheer number of selfies we've had to deal with since the new year. For files which were speedied and then removed, the template reads "If you disagree, nominate for deletion", and so I do from time to time do that. There was a situation where I made mistake on speedying some files that have metadata saying they belong to SAAB, they were removed by Jcb with a note to "read the meta" - and of course that was the problem in the first place. That may be what you're referring to? In any and all cases whether this is what you refer to or not, I appreciate your AGF and understanding. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:57, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
This is the problem, acting so hurry as the world ends. The Backlog should never be used to justify blinky, bot-like actions, taken by many admins (including you), without validating essential information (like the age, or the Threshold of originality).
"Assuming good faith" does not mean "Ignore bad actions", and the nomination of these XIX century works are clearly bad actions, and bot-like since you was unable to provide a valid reason for deletion, based in the Copyright law of the United States. Assume your mistake and withdraw the nominations (no need to discusse the copyright status of a XIX century work). --Amitie 10g (talk) 15:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Why have you deleted my pictures ?Edit

Sorry, I d'ont speak english very well. I'm learning to contribute in french wikipedia with FunMook and for illustrate my first contribution I look for pictures on the web. I found some and I have contacted the autor by mail. This one give me the permission for use his picture under licence CC-BY-SA 4.0 by this mail (sorry it's in french) :

De: Daniel Dupont ------------ Objet: Fwd: Rep: utilisation de photos pour un article wikipedia Date: 1 avril 2017 à 12:09 Je confirme par la présente être l'auteur et le titulaire unique et exclusif des droits d'auteur attachés à l'œuvre publiée à l’adresse : Je donne mon autorisation pour publier cette œuvre sous la licence CREATIVE COMMONS BY-SA 4.0)>. Je comprends qu'en faisant cela je permets à quiconque d'utiliser mon œuvre, y compris dans un but commercial, et de la modifier dans la mesure des exigences imposées par la licence. Je suis conscient de toujours jouir des droits extra-patrimoniaux sur mon œuvre, et garder le droit d'être cité pour celle-ci selon les termes de la licence retenue. Les modifications que d'autres pourront faire ne me seront pas attribuées. Je suis conscient qu'une licence libre concerne seulement les droits patrimoniaux de l'auteur, et je garde la capacité d'agir envers quiconque n'emploierait pas ce travail d'une manière autorisée, ou dans la violation des droits de la personne, des restrictions de marque déposée, etc. Je comprends que je ne peux pas retirer cette licence, et que l'image est susceptible d'être conservée de manière permanente par n'importe quel projet de la fondation Wikimedia. [01/04/2017, Daniel Dupont, --- removed ----- ]

So I've uploaded the 4 files on Commons, but I've dont find how upload the autorisation, so today you have deleted my pictures. Can you explain me how to do, and if possible restore the acces to the pictures Castelirac (talk) 21:04, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Castelira Please have them send that permission on the form provided at COM:OTRS. I am not a member of the OTRS permissions team. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:10, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) That’s actually the correct form already, the French version of the OTRS permission letter verbatim. It only needs to be sent to @Castelirac: ça marcherait mieux si M. Dupont lui-même peut envoyer son autorisation à cette adresse; si vous le renverrez, peut-être quelqu’un devrait lui contacter pour vérifier son courriel. (Je m’excuse pour mon mauvais français.)—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:49, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, thanks a lot for yours answers. I'm going to send the permissions to the right adress. @Odysseus, merci de m'avoir répondu en français Castelirac (talk) 11:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Re Honzatko diplomaEdit

Hi. I don't have time to play around Wikipedia which in user unfriendly (as for me). If you want to delete the scan of diploma of my grandfather, satisfy your need - do it - it took me far too much time to post it so I will not do it again. It will only be with harm to historians as there is hardly anything about him available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom Jagiello (talk • contribs)

Hi Tom Jagiello: Please discuss this at the deletion nominations as linked on your talk page. I totally understand your desire to memorialize your grandfather; it's not uncommon. The problem is that Commons has both a scope and does not accept images which cannot be freely licensed. Since you didn't create any of these images, and you didn't give enough information for us to try to help you find ways they can be kept, we're not able to do more than nominate them and ask you to discuss them at each nomination. Another rule of the project COM:EVID says this has to be done by the uploader. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Gandoler (Gandola)Edit

Referencing another phenomenon known to you, I think we should now classify this type of uploading as the "photographic density flow". It erupts violently from the uploader's internet connection in great volumes and flows into our database with amazing speed.   De728631 (talk) 16:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

De728631 Continuing the kidding : Well, it's not Osmosis because if it were, the copyvios would flow from our system to their systems as soon as they tried it, because Commons servers would seem to be the area of greater concentration. So density hmmmm. For a look at the forces which may be found to create the negativity propelling the density flow, the only citation I can find is Albert Einstein who wrote "Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed." Somewhere in those three, or perhaps a grouping of those three with some ego stirred in might be the propulsive force. All kidding aside, thanks for the smile, I needed that today! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:22, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Ah well, at least we can now determine that it must have been a finite event because according to Einstein, only human stupidity itself is infinite (and perhaps also the universe). De728631 (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sasquatch Statue.jpgEdit

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sasquatch Statue.jpg didn't you read Themightyquill's articulation of statue copyright? What's your response? Seattle (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Seattle, I certainly wouldn't mind if you renominated the file with a good rational, but you will also have to round up and include all the other chain saw "sculptures" in the various categories and include them as well. There are too many of this sort of thing to pick at one by one. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:12, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm not doing that. Seattle (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of File:1924. Merz Magazine Layout by El Lissitzky.jpgEdit

Hi Ellin; the deletion of File:1924. Merz Magazine Layout by El Lissitzky.jpg was questioned in German Wikipedia's copyright questions forum, and after a closer look, I think that the deletion request by Natuur12 and your subsequent deletion decision might have indeed been erroneous. In the file description, Kurt Schwitters wasn't mentioned as (co-)author of this title page, but only es "editor". The typographic design is by El Lissitzky who died more than 70 years ago. Now the question is: Does the title page contain any artistic or textual content by Kurt Schwitters which is copyrightable? It is dominated by the red "Natur von lat. nasci ..." text, which, however, is marked as a quote from the "Kleiner Brockhaus" encyclopedia (readable in the lower right corner of the text). As a short definition from an encyclopedia, I don't think it is copyrightable, and it's also not by Schwitters. All other text on this title page is short factual information (title of the magazine, names and address of the editors...) and therefore, IMHO, also not copyrightable, even if Schwitters should be responsible for that text. So, would you consider restoring the file? As you point to COM:UNDEL on your page, maybe you would have preferred if I used that process, but I thought it the proper thing to do to approach you first. - There's, however, also the URAA issue. Maybe we can't keep that file on Commons because Lissitzky's work was still protected at the URAA date in Germany and Russia? In that case, it would still be acceptable "locally" in German-language Wikipedia, if considered in the public domain in Germany. Gestumblindi (talk) 19:45, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

This is a bit more complicated than merely what was discussed at de-wiki. What do we consider too be the "work" and when is someone a co-creator off a work. Do you have any relevant case law which supports your claim that an editor who is mentioned and helped creating a work doesn;t count for a joint authorship in copyright terms and that you have too see the book cover as a seperate work instead as part of a whole work? Natuur12 (talk) 20:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, this specific image is the title page of one issue of the Merz magazine. The editors of the magazine were Schwitters and Lissitzky, but the design of the title page, apparently, is Lissitzky's. I would compare that to e.g. the news magazine Der Spiegel where Rudolf Augstein was editor-in-chief for many decades, but of course he wasn't the designer of the title pages and the copyright of these isn't tied to him. As for book covers in general, I think it's self-evident that they're not part of the work contained in the book, else e.g. all the various editions of Kafka's "Castle" with their many different cover illustrations would be entirely new works as whole, and I never heard that one would consider the cover having anything to do with the copyright of the work itself, or vice versa. Gestumblindi (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, It depends what was the position of the cover designer. If s/he was employed by the editor, the copyright probably belongs to the editor. Not nothing anything, I would assume it is the case here. If the cover contains a work of art, it could be licensed from a third party. Regards, Yann (talk) 10:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
@Yann: But the duration of copyright (in Europe) is always measured by the death of the creator, it's irrelevant to whom the copyright was possibly transferred. So, for example, if someone who died in 1941 made a work on behalf of someone else who died much later, the latter could own the copyright as long as it lasts, but it would have still expired on January 1, 2012 - 70 years after the creator's death. Yann, you're an admin too, you can have a look at the deleted image - the cover contains no work of art apart from El Lissitzky's typographical design. Gestumblindi (talk) 11:08, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, not always, that's the point. When the copyright is owned by a corporation, it expires 70 years after publication. I don't really have any objection about restoration, but I think that copyright was owned by the editor. Regards, Yann (talk) 14:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
@Gestumblindi Looks like Yann is helping you out here, so I'm going to step aside and let this help continue. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:12, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Yann: that is not true. If the author is listed a work is still protected for life + 70 and if there are more authors life off the longest living author + 70. Natuur12 (talk) 19:12, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Natuur12: If there is a known, named author, duration of copyright in Europe is always "life of the author + 70 years", entirely independent of who resp. which corporation may own the copyright. The 70 years after publication apply if there is no known individual author/creator. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:34, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
@Yann: I agree with your restoration of the file per undeletion request by h-stt (though there's still the URAA issue, but I'm not going to press that - should the file here on Commons be deleted again for URAA reasons, we could restore it in "local" Wikipedias), although I want to note that I disagree with your rationale. There is no "corporate copyright" here; El Lissitzky is the known and named creator, so the duration of copyright is measured by his date of death. Gestumblindi (talk) 17:17, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
IMO it depends if he was an employee, or was the work a contract? Regards, Yann (talk) 18:22, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
@Yann: It doesn't influence the duration of copyright either way. In European law, if there is a known creator, copyright in the work always lasts for 70 years after the individual creator's death, even if he was an employee and the copyright is owned by a a company. See Wikipedia on "work for hire" (references given there): In the European Union, even if a Member State provides for the possibility of a legal person to be the original rightholder (such as is possible in the UK), then the duration of protection is in general the same as the copyright term for a personal copyright: i.e., for a literary or artistic work, 70 years from the death of the human author, or in the case of works of joint authorship, 70 years from the death of the last surviving author. But also, and that's probably what you were thinking of: If the natural author or authors are not identified, nor become known subsequently, then the copyright term is the same as that for an anonymous or pseudonymous work, i.e. 70 years from publication for a literary or artistic work; or, if the work has not been published in that time, 70 years from creation. Or to phrase it differently: The "corporate copyright" of 70 years from publication you mention is only applicable if the employees creating the work are unknown/anonymous. Not the case here, so the exact nature of the business relationship of El Lissitzky to Schwitters resp. the magazine doesn't matter. (And sorry @Ellin Beltz for occupying your talk page with this specific discussion). Gestumblindi (talk) 23:22, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
No worries. Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry again Ellin. ;o)
Gestumblindi, I don't really disagree with you about the copyright duration, but 1. I am not sure this is the same everywhere in Europe, 2. the case where the individual author is known but doesn't own the copyright is a very rare case. In the vast majority of works, when the copyright is owned by a corporation, the individual(s) name(s) is/are not known. That's the general rule: the named author owns the copyright. Regards, Yann (talk) 10:46, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

File:My alinebob.jpgEdit

Hi Please see the licensy. It is free. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Panam2014: Actually it's not free. It's "non-commercial" which is not compatible with Commons licenses. Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
It passed. So if a file is uploade before the changen it is still here. See the photo of Emma Watson. For example : File:Emma Watson cropped.jpg. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
You could at least create a deletion request or delete Watson's photo. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:16, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
No, Panam2014: the Watson photo comes from, which has a license compatible with Commons. There is no reason to delete it. If you'd like either one or the two blurry photos of women's hair marked "non-commercial" at flickr restored, please feel free to take it to COM:UNDEL. I did not create the speedy nomination; I think you are perhaps confused about the processes here at Commons. Please read COM:L and COM:SCOPE before making more uploads. Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
For Watson, it's differentThe original license was compatible, then it was changed for another who is not compatible inally, the original license was restored. So, there is a rule that states that a license change is not retroactive. --Panam2014 (talk) 12:08, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Have you got a link of the file in flickr ? --Panam2014 (talk) 12:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Please feel free to file any Deletion Nominations you choose; for the file which was deleted, please use COM:UNDEL. Thanks. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I want to let you know that the above image on which you placed the Deletion request is a User created one and it was created by me. Can you please clarify on why you placed the deletion request?

Thanks, Prashanth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpsince1990 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mpsince1990: Please discuss at the deletion nomination (as listed on your talk page), here >> Commons:Deletion requests/File:SwissVisa.PNG. What it says there is that the user did not create the item depicted and there's no explanation why you think the depicted item is free of copyright. As it is now, the only source is "Source Own work" and that's pretty obviously not so. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

File:Dr Pankaj Naram.jpgEdit

Hi dear Ellin, You left a comment on my file that I did not understand, which prompted it's deletion. I did read the link you sent me to and I understand what is allowed and what is not on Wikimedia. I am not in any of the photos that I took and uploaded, but I do know all of the subjects in the photographs. By saying it is my "own work" it means that I am the one the took the photographs, that I have copywright and permission to upload them as free content here in Wikimedia. I am going to request this photo to be un-deleted. Can you help me know if there is something I can do to gain your support in the un-deletion process for this photo? --DrIndia (talk) 15:02, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi DrIndia: It appears you've had correspondece with Daphne Lantier and the file was restored via OTRS - although according to the file, the OTRS was insufficient. In any case, complaints about deletions go to the deleting administrator first - I didn't delete it, only nominated it. Regarding copyright violations, please read COM:L for understanding about the license. Also when you upload to Commons please use the largest file size available to you, these files were small - as if they had been taken from a website or prior publication. These files also had no metadata. Usually professional level photos have metadata. So it indicates they were processed after the initial photo was made - also a signal that something may have come from elsewhere. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need help. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:34, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi Ellin Beltz: Thank you for your response. I can now understand the reason for confusion. I had edited the photo on my computer, cropping out another person in the image to preserve only the subject I wanted to keep in this image, and did not even think about metadata, nor know how to preserve it during the editing. My initial assumption would have been that smaller images are better as they are faster to upload and then easier to load on pages, now I see how you actual prefer larger images. You receive so many files and photos I can now understand how you are thinking and why my image was flagged for consideration. It did not make sense before to me, and I was very confused, as it is my own work and I have not posted it anywhere before uploading it to the Wikimedia, and I thought I checked all the boxes which indicated clearly it was my own work. The image was not from any website or prior publication, as it was just shot that same day that I edited it and then uploaded it. The good side of this, is people like yourself, Daphne Lantier, and Yann have been so extremely helpful and kind. What a great community, with extremely good intentions and very meticulous in doing good work. Thank you for the links to the additional places where I could learn more, they were very helpful. --DrIndia (talk) 22:23, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

You have been busyEdit

I like the Phal as well as your fruit photos, if I may give you some tips on architecture photos. Everything has a geometric flow, in so much as the lines in the photo, should on 45 Degree angle have objects come to one corner or the other. In street photography I use objects to stabilize the camera, balancing it and looking at how changing its angle of attack effects the photos composition. Keep it up, I have been quite busy and really have little time or patience for this site anymore, people are short and seemingly bitter, and "assume good faith" is a forgotten topic... Nice to hear from you, happy spring and keep up the photos... --Don (talk) 21:17, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

sUUper Seven game image deletionEdit

Hi Ellin Beltz, an OTRS email was sent but the image was deleted regardless by what appears to me to be a rather overzealous bureaucrat; could you please restore the image?--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:10, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Tomwsulcer: The process is for you to ask the deleting admin, in this case Jameslwoodward for a reconsider. Also, if the OTRS is ok, the image will magically reappear. Also I disagree with your comment "overzealous bureaucrat"; I don't know of anyone like that on Commons. Please read COM:AGF before making more uploads. Thanks. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:02, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Ellin -- you should know that he had already demanded the image's immediate restoration on my talk page when he posted the message above. Both I and elcobbola explained to him that there were many requests in the OTRS queue and that he would have to wait his turn but he believes that he somehow deserves to be taken ahead of all the others. Thanks for your response. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 17:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Just that this is the first time I've heard of an OTRS queue when it comes to deletion discussions. And I didn't know that the image will "magically reappear" when the image comes to the top of it. Just seems to me like this whole process -- putting an image up for deletion (which apparently puts the whole image into a queue), deleting it (even after the OTRS was sent), then all this back and forth -- seems to me like this is a giant waste of everybody's time.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 08:49, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Fouad NaffahEdit

Hi Ellin, Hope all well. I have uploaded a few pictures of Fouad Naffah, the former Foreign Minister of Lebanon who recently passed away. I am his grandson and the photos we uploaded come from the family's personal archive, and date to the early 1970s in Lebanon. We do not know who the original photographers were and it is likely they are no longer alive given these photos date from some 50 years ago. I would be very grateful if you could possibly let me know what further details we might have to provide in order for these photos to be acceptable as they are an important record of his career and we would like to see them enter the public domain. Let me know if it would be better to submit scanned originals as we can do this as well. Many thanks and look forward to hearing from you, Alexander Naffah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aknaffah (talk • contribs) 09:09, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Aknaffah: The copyrights belong to the original photographers or their heirs. You can have them send permission to COM:OTRS. Were the photos published? And/or would they fit the criteria at ? Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Sasha Strunin - signatureEdit

Hi, some time ago you have decided to keep that photo which was up for deletion and as the reason for keeping it you have stated that it is in use. The reason why it was requested to delete it was because there is a better photo of the same person's signature. Moreover, the photo has been taken from here without its author's consent and has been retouched in Paint. I don't see a reason to keep it as it is not in use and violates copyright policy. ArturSik (talk) 02:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi ArturSik: Please leave comments at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Autograf Sashy Strunin 2 edited.jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sasha Strunin - signature.png. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

send me proofEdit

please give me proof that the file you deleted is a copyright violation if it is can you please upload a new non copyrighted version Flow234 (talk) 10:05, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Flow234: Sure thing, visit to see the exact same picture, but much larger! Ellin Beltz (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Khun SrunEdit

Dear Ellin Beltz,

all my iconographic work on "Soth Polin" ( and "Khun Srun" pages ( was erased (it was a lot of work, a lot of time...).

Now, there is no pictures at all, on these pages.

Sorry for my poor english. I will try to explain myself.

Of course, I understand your juridical logic. There is rules in Wikipedia, about the rights of theses old book covers etc.

Bu please try now to understand my logic:

Khun Srun, for example, wrote his last book "the Accused" in 1973. He was 28. I joined the Khmer Rouge and I was killed in 1978.

The KR destroyed everything. Everything. No book left. No publishing-house left. No writer left.

15 years ago, I was lucky to discover this book in Phnom Penh. I have one copy. It's impossible now to find the book in Cambodia. It disappeared. It was not republished.

When I put the image of the book cover in Khun Srun Wikipedia page, it's like to save something from nothingness. Do you understand? When you erased it, my feeling is you throw it again to nothingness.

You have to consider the situation of Cambodia. it's not like Europe or the USA.

With best regards,

Domrey Sar

Domrey sar (talk) 08:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Domrey sar: You do not have the rights in Cambodia or the United States to take other people's pictures, claim as your own and upload them to Commons. Your work was not "destroyed"; you uploaded things which can't stay here legally. Cambodia has a legitimate government, and you were informed about their copyright laws. Just because they had a war, doesn't mean that any property prior to the war has no owner. Sorry, but that's how the world works. The servers for this project are in the United States, so items uploaded have to be free of copyright in both their home country and the U.S. I completely understand your desire to have these materials available on a world-wide basis, but you can't violate the rights of others to do so. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Code issues in User:Ellin Beltz/common.jsEdit

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Code issues in User:Ellin Beltz/common.jsEdit

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Sasha strunin signatureEdit

Hi, not sure if you remeber but ive requested to delete one of the pictures of the singers authographs. You've decided to keep the one that I've put up for deletion. I've messaged you to solve the issue as the one that was up for deletion was violating copyrights policy + there was a better photo of her signature that was in use. After that both have been deleted. Is there any way that could be reverted and the one that was okay could be brought back cause it was my own picture of a signature that I own so I don't really understand why it's been deleted.? ArturSik (talk) 03:02, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi ArturSik: Please take this to COM:UNDEL for a second opinion. When you get there, be sure to provide the link to the actual file/file names you believe should be considered for undeletion, it's very difficult otherwise to know what you are writing about. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:41, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I ask for explanationEdit

Could you, please, explain why did you delete the File:Vino Teran, Istra (Croatia) - prednja strana.jpg? There is no reason for that. Regards, --Silverije (talk) 21:42, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Silverije, Please see COM:PACKAGING. You took a photo of a Croatian labeled bottle with an illustration on it, uploaded it as own work. Since you did not create the label, you can't say it's 'own work' nor can you give a licence or permission for using someone else's work. Please feel free to take this to COM:UNDEL if you disagree, but I'm not restoring that image. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Undeletion requestEdit

Hi! I wanted to point out that Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Mappa_San_Francesco_1581_ingrandimento.jpg was wrongly deleted by you. It's a derivative work of a 1581 map (so pd-old), as stated at p. 20 of the book linked in the DR. Can we undelete it please? --Ruthven (msg) 18:56, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ruthven: Sure. Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:33, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! I modify the page accordingly. --Ruthven (msg) 22:37, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

File:Frog Pendant MET DT2593.jpgEdit

I'm not sure what the confusion is, this is a CC0 donation by the Met, which is why it has {{TheMet}} and {{Cc-zero}} on it, in addition to the source url.--Pharos (talk) 15:38, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Pharos: I'm having technical difficulties at present and was on a different viewer. I was unable to see the no source button until it triggered, and then I immediately reverted the edit. There is no problem at all. Please notice it's in use on my User Page, and by clicking on it there was how the problem began. I hope that the Java geniuses here figure out the error and am refraining from working on files using the tool bar at all until my system is stable. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Other examples - not "own work"Edit

Hello Ellin ! I understand you are doing importaint work - and people may become angry with you. But what about a picture as this one - [File:Copenhagen Metro nedgang.jpg] Is that shot a "own one" ? I mean, the uploader has presumably taken the shot, but has not built the construction... I really believe that all images which are taken of items - that not in any way, are a question of copyright - what is then the trouble ? I urge you too try to see it from Wikipedia contributors' perspective. Whilst working with an article, searching for sources - and the article can be much improved by adding some kind of image. Taken by a camera at an object without copyright, is it , in such cases, really important which license to give it ? As long as they are taken by the contributor's camera and it isn't a matter of copyrights. Can you possibly see that angle ? Anyways cheers, Ellin ! Boeing720 (talk) 01:31, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Other "own work"

File:RG1 girona.svg
File:Six-hundred-twenty-seventh harmonic on C.mid
File:Brocas e Hortência em Vovó Ganza! Uma comédia de faca e alguidar, pela companhia Vidas de A a Z.png

Why are these permitted , but not a Type Rate Certificate for a Captain onboard an Airbus A320 ? Someone else meant it should have been scanned instead of taken a shot of (!!!), but I simply haven't got access to a such device, currently. I do not mean to be rude in any way, but I'm truly very confused. It seems to me that that very much that isn't about copyright (when that's not an issue), then deletion is done very randomly. Please correct me, in every sense that I may be wrong. Cheers Boeing720 (talk) 02:42, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

File:Stema satului Hoginești.jpgEdit

Hi. If this file was of a decent quality, could you restore it, please, as an alternative for this gif? It was probably mislicensed, but actually it's PD-MD-exempt. --XXN, 16:11, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi XXN: It's terrible quality with copyright notice URL printed right on it. Sorry! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:41, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
OK, no worries. --XXN, 18:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Bridge in the middleEdit

Hi Ellin,

I note that you nominated File:Bridge_on_the_middle.jpg for deletion, but I can't find the deletion request page, or any reasoning why it was deleted other than suspected copyright violation. As this was one of the nominated winners of WLM 2015, and I'm checking archives on those, could you clarify that perhaps? Why did you flag it? Maybe I'm overlooking something, or you could look at the deleted file itself. Effeietsanders (talk) 22:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Effeietsanders, File was uploaded by User:Ergystemali, the notice is on their talk page. It was a copy of which as you can see is "Copyright All rights reserved by". The file was deleted on 28 November 2016 by Admin INeverCry. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:15, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Ellin Beltz, thanks for the rapid clarification. The flickr link was not mentioned in the summary or mention on the talkpage of the user, thanks for digging that up. Good to confirm this was indeed a correct deletion. I'm just double checking the national winning photos after one was incorrectly deleted a little while ago. Effeietsanders (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

File:UEFA Cup trophy.jpgEdit

Is there any reason why this photo was deleted? It was properly attributed, the original file is released under a permitted license, all the author's other photos seem to be of their own work and other cropped photos of UEFA trophies are permitted.

I'm not sure why this one fell foul. VEO15 (talk) 06:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi VEO15: The trophy cup itself has copyright, making a photograph of it a COM:DW of a copyrighted item. Cheers. Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:51, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Re: Deletion requests/Files uploaded by A1 FederationEdit

Hi there,

I hope I'm not imposing too much. I just received your notification and wanted to confirm/deny the allegations made as to help make the process of the request as smooth as possible. The following photos listed are copyrighted images and are not in fact not my own work (I added these rather a long time ago, prior to much of by Wikimedia knowledge):

The former 2 are screenshots from a series so I was unsure as to whether or not they were original work. For the following four, however, I stand by my claim that they are my own work:

These are photos taken from when I saw the show in Toronto on September 6, 2014. Albeit, they were taken on a friend's camera, but they were in fact shot by me. If you wish to see more proof, I can try my best to provide evidence to the best extent I can.

A1 Federation (talk) 04:07, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

I put this discussion on the deletion nomination page and pinged you from there. Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Terra Cottage CafeEdit

Why was File:Terra Cottage Cafe.jpg deleted? Editorofthewiki (talk) 14:13, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Editorofthewiki: Your answer is at the deletion discussion as linked on your talk page, located in the yellow box above the files listed for deletion; see Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Editorofthewiki. In short, the images seem to have been culled from a flickr account without permission. If you would care to request undeletion of this image, please state your case at COM:UNDEL; where I will not actively oppose you. However do be prepared to show that the image is truly yours, not copied from elsewhere. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:55, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Lots of paintings, possible problems with copyrightEdit

Can you check Special:Contributions/Califpaint? I'm seeing a bunch of paintings by well-known artists that are incorrectly tagged as "own work" by Califpaint. As well, some of the paintings may not be public domain. The author may have died more than 70 years ago, but it might be the case that the work in question was not published or registered before 1978, so then it would be protected until 2048. The owner of the painting may not be allowed to freely distribute it beyond those viewers who visit the gallery. The laws are more complex than I understand. Binksternet (talk) 17:29, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Binksternet! I have checked the oldest uploads, so far the painters are all deceased more than 70 years. I will check all that first and then ask for help on the publish &/or registered portion... but so far the death dates are all ok. Thank you so much for your suggestion, I will let you know how it all pans out. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Re: File:Silvio Berlusconi 2001.jpgEdit

This image is not mine. --NiloGlock (talk) 08:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:05, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Re: Problems with the image: File:Umberto Bossi 1996.jpgEdit

I don't know what's wrong. The image is from the site of the italian Chamber of Deputies, all the resources are available with CC BY 3.0. --NiloGlock (talk) 08:49, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi NiloGlock: Would you be so kind as to provide a link to where it says that for this image? Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:07, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Ellin Beltz, here: [9] --NiloGlock (talk) 19:15, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi NiloGlock: From now on be sure that link is provided on your upload templates so no one has to go digging around for it. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

File:Valle de Atriz, Pasto .jpgEdit

Hello, I am from Colombia, I had took this fhotography in 2016. It is mine, You don't delete it please, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZlKevin (talk • contribs) 20:13, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi ZlKevin: Please reply at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Valle de Atriz, Pasto .jpg. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:07, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

File:Maria-Hilf-Kirche Wien 009.jpgEdit

I nominated this image for deletion not because I uploaded a better quality picture as you stated - I nominated another picture for the given reason which was absolutely unusable, blurred and horrible, and that was deleted, I think duly - but because I saw no historical importance and educational purpose for it. I realize that the uploader resented the deletion so let it remain so, I have no strong feelings against the decision. Also I wasn't aware that we have a separate category for votive candle racks (because the image was NOT in that category at the time) which fits this image well. On the other hand when you are lecturing another user you can at least get your charges right. Zello (talk) 21:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page where you left same message. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Kodak BlackEdit

Hi there. I noticed you deleted File:Kodak Black, arrest photo, May 2016.png (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). Could you please take a moment to read Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kodak Black, arrest photo, May 2016.png. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: You can raise the image at COM:UNDEL if you wish. It is worth using links for the pages you have been referencing, like this:*/ Note the correct license is {{PD-FLGov}}, and there are other images from the same Sheriff's office already on Commons with this license, so it is not a new precedent. -- (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
@: The file had that license, and a link to the photo on this article. It was properly licensed. And not that it makes a bit of difference, but that was the only photo on an English Wikipedia article that gets over 1 million views per year. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, not being an admin I could not see the history until the file was undeleted, I can see you had a perfectly good license on the photograph. Our systems on Commons make it much harder for a non-admin to put the case to restore a file, or even analyse the history, once it is deleted. -- (talk) 20:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Looks like this got fixed while I was offline. If not, leave more messages. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Deleted PictureEdit


i saw that you marked up my picture for deleting. But i am verified to share the picture with wikipedia. I am the owner of the picture and sended an e mail to wikipedia because of it. Will the picture deleted for ever or will it be there if wikipeida read my e mail that i am the owner of the picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trekki12 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi: As stated on your talk page, please discuss at the Nomination, i.e. You will find there that someone else has noted you sent email to the COM:OTRS system which is not going to provide you an immediate answer. Should another administrator remove the image prior to acceptance by OTRS, they can restore it. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


Hi, I'm puzzled as to why you templated File:Samson-judge.jpg (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). Could you explain what happened? Thanks -- (talk) 18:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi The user's other uploads were all problemattic, I saw a tiny illustration without a real source, and the statement " Or something, idk." So I "no sourced" it in the hopes someone could fix it. Thanks for fixing it. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Zontal paintingsEdit

Dear Ellin!

I am an amateur artist, named Zontal and I paint oil portraits. You want to delete pictures of my works. I made these paintings with my own hands from old photos. These people are passed away a long time ago, so I don't understand, why these pictures offend the rules.

Please let me know, why do you want to delete my photos?

Yours sincerely

Zontal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zontal (talk • contribs) 15:49, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Zontal: The problem is, that the people who created the old photographs have creator rights on their images. You can't just paint from old photos and say "own work" because it isn't. See COM:DW. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

There is no sense of this. It's simply a misinterpretation. The people who created the old photographs are passed away too. Do Wikipedia requested permission when uploaded old pictures of these people from the past?

Be happy for yourself! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zontal (talk • contribs) 17:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Zontal: The problem is, that the people who created the old photographs have creator rights on their images. It is not "no sense", it's how copyright law works. Maybe they've been passed away long enough that the works are in the public domain. But you haven't provided any information other than "own work" which they obviously are not and so we can't figure it out. Due to COM:EVID, you need to help figure this out or by COM:PRP they'll get deleted. Best is if you reply at the deletion nomination as directed on your talk page. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:22, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Deleted doodle Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dolina Krma, stene levega brega.jpgEdit

File:Dolina Krma, stene levega brega.jpg

This doodle map of climbing routes is out of COM:SCOPE as being doodle art by non-notable individual. Ellin Beltz (d) 17:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello ! I agree that it is kind of a doodle. It's insider beta (mountain climbing) which is not representative of the large opus of printed work by Tine Mihelič. Turboton (d) 07:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

And it's Mr. Mihelič's drawing too, right? Ellin Beltz (d) 17:52, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Right !

I'm using your talk page to answer, as the quoted document is not supposed to be edited. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turboton (talk • contribs) 08:29, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Turboton: re: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dolina Krma, stene levega brega.jpg. Since it's Mr. Mihelič's drawing, to retain on Commons would require the permission of Mr. Mihelič, via "COM:OTRS" which is just a simple email. But of course, if he's going to give permission, please have him give permission on a good image. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

My drafts not seen!Edit

My draft article about Joshua Serufusa-Zaake (originally Joshua Serufusa-Zake) is no where to be seen. I have been researching and getting references as I was requested. I also found that my photos, which were personal photos (File:Zaake at Buggala.jpg; File:Zaake the chief.jpg; File:Buggala.jpeg; File:Joshua Serufusa-Zaake and brother Salongo Kaggwa.jpg; File:The young Joshua Serufusa-Zaake.jpg; File:Joshua Serufusa-Zaake at a ceremony.jpg; and File:Joshua Serufusa-Zake.jpg) also deleted.

I wish to build on my draft having obtained more references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muwanga-Zake (talk • contribs) 07:40, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Muwanga-Zake: Please see Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Muwanga-Zake to see that the images you listed were deleted as probably copyright violations. Wikimedia Commons cannot accept copyright violations to be hosted here. We have nothing to do with articles, I'd suggest you look at whichever Wiki project you wrote it, look on the discussion page or the history to see what happened to it. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

DR noticesEdit

I was under the mistaken belief that the images you deleted fell under FOP, is there a way that I can have the DR notices removed from my account? --Donald Trung (talk) 23:30, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. --Donald Trung (talk) 01:53, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

A plea for forgiveness. 😟Edit

I would not plead this to you if I weren't desperate so here it goes, I have been involved in sockpuppeting and created a few of them to insult other users well specifically the first 2 and after that just sockpuppeted for da Lulz which is something I now deeply regret. I have been blocked from editing Wikipedia and I really wish to continue improving it ad build an encyclopedia however my plead for unblocking was rejected because I had first used a sock account as I was unaware if any other account was still able to appeal. Now what I ask of you isn't much all I want is to continue contributing to Wikimedia Commons and if possible have this apology be taken into account of my appeal, I do not wish to have account creation reinstated nor to be autoconfirmed again, all I want is to help continue building an encyclopedia and help build this Wikimedia Commons. I hope that you will see this sincere plead as me begging the community for forgiveness and try to get my talk page access reinstated so I can plead for unblocking once more, please look at en:Yuan dynasty coinage, and en:Qing dynasty coinage to see that my real interest on this project lies in improving these projects for the readers and users, I fully understand that what I did was wrong and if I would be given a second chance the first thing I would do is send out White Doves to the people I had insulted in the hope that they would find it in their hearts to forgive me. Please allow me to have a second chance.

The only real reason I ask this is because in 6 months I could do a lot of editing and improving articles which is something I would rather not miss, and I know that I had abused my privileges but I would not disrupt any project in the future as I am fully aware of the consequences. Please look at my work and help me only get my editing privileges back, nothing more.

Faithfully Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

For clarification I added the (as of now) non-existing category of "socks" to my signature so I am 100% open about my wrongdoings and hope that the community can look past my faults and respect me as an editor, all I wish is to help contribute to this great project and though I do admit that some of the things I said as User:The Ivory Cowboy are unwelcoming I was simply angry for an unfounded deletion of an image I made personally, but I really just want this to be behind me and everyone involved and be given the chance to beg for forgiveness to the people I have insulted. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Kindly look at my plea at en:User talk:Donald Trung everything I wrote was most sincere and the "frivolous" unblock appeals weren't lies, at one IP I said that I literally just stopped making any disruptions, at another I had said that I only got blocked for asking why I got blocked which was the case as me asking why I couldn't appeal prior blocks at the village pump was why the investigation was started, at The Ivory Cowboy I stated that I had continue to sock in order to restore an image which is also true, but please contact the administrator and ask him if he would allow me to only edit my talk page for a day so I can send White doves and beg those whom I have wronged for their forgiveness. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:11, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

P.S. As a sign of trust I request of you to block my account creating privileges, I feel most sincerely bad for the actions I took, I got carried away and let my hatred distract me from the fact that the only reason I even am here is to help build a free project for the readers. If I were really insincere I wouldn't ask of you to block my ability to create accounts, I just hope that you can find it in your heart to see that I will not cause any future disruptions and that my appeal is to help the people using Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, not myself. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:14, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Final addendum: The blocking policy only applies to users who will be a problem again in the future and is used as a preventive measure, I will not abuse any second chance and I fully understand why I got blocked, for that I wish 🌠 to make amends with the people I have wronged and simply continue by editing articles to improve them, not disrupt them. You might even let OgreBot reshowcase my new uploads or anything to punish me, just please allow me to help build this project and others and I deeply regret my incivility. I did not cuss as you because your deletions were justified, and even if I feel that a deletion is unjustified I will only go to the undeletion requests and add them civilly without insulting anyone. Please excuse me for this wall of text of which a part was copy pasted from a more general apology I hope 🤞🏻 to share with the community. What would you advise me to do to make amends? I will go to the village pump to confess if needed and point out the different accounts I had used there, I will personally apologise to those negatively affected, just please allow me to have a second chance and if you genuinely believe that blocking me is the only option I beg to allow me to edit my own talk page and e-mail 📧, but as a sign of trust please remove my account creation privileges, I really mean my apology and want to prove to the community that I am not here to be in anyone's ire. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:30, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Real final addendum, if possible create the category of my socks. If you really think that "a cool down period" is necessary I would reluctantly accept it but I hope that it would be in 2 weeks and not 6 months as in a span of 2 weeks I wrote this huge article and in my spare time what I mostly do is hunt down either unreferenced articles and source them, or find images with too wide of categories on Wikimedia Commons and improve their categorization (my next project being sunglasses 🕶), just look at my contributions as User:The Ivory Cowboy 🤠 even my socks were being helpful in some cases. But the socking is behind me now, and I hope that you understand that I wouldn't write all of this if I really had maleficent intentions. But please let someone create a category for my socks so it's out in the open, all I wish to do is earn this community's trust back and help improve it/ --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:36, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

If you have read this, then thank you for taking the time to read this, and know that I could've "operated under the radar" as I'm not blocked here (yet), but I really wouldn't ask this if I wanted to continue being insincere. Thank you again for taking the time to read this. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:40, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:58, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Dr Sid MittraEdit

Hi, why was Dr Sidd Mittra's Wiki page deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakish9 (talk • contribs) 06:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I know that I am not authorised to answer, but this is Wikimedia Commons, for Wikipedia related questions you can best look for the deleted page and see its reason for deletion there, or check its deletion discussion. Excuse me for answering this. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 06:59, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Minor plea.Edit

If possible only locally unblock me here so I can prove to the rest of the community that all I want is to contribute to it, not distort it. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 15:32, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

I will sleep now and probably won't be back for 10 to 12 hours, if you feel that blocking me is necessary can we at least discuss it on my talk page tomorrow or over the span of a week. I am really committed to only help improve this place. --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 15:36, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
If you want to how I plan on improving this community and Wikipedia next check Here, all I really want is to build an encyclopedia. I got carried away and now all I want is to continue helping, not hurting, please have faith in me I really won't disappoint as not many admins dare to unblock socknasters, but I can really prove myself to the community. Alright goodnight I hope that you have equal trust in me when I return hete tomorrow morning. 🙏🏻 --Donald Trung (Talk 💬) (Socks 🎭) 15:42, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Удалили фотографиюEdit

Добрый день! По просьбе Ирины Мироновой я редактировала статью о ней и заменила ее главное фото по ее просьбе. Вы это фото почему - то удалили, как мне вставить это фото, так как Ирина Миронова предпочитает именно это фото. Спасибо, жду ответа. С уважением, Винокурова. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vino kurova (talk • contribs) 10:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC) Google Translate: Deleted photo Good afternoon! At the request of Irina Mironova, I edited an article about her and replaced her main photo at her request. Https:// . D0.B2.D0.B0.jpg You have somehow deleted this photo, as I insert this photo, as Irina Mironova prefers this photo. Thank you waiting for an answer. Sincerely, Vinokourov. - Preceding unsigned comment added by Vino kurova (talk • contribs) 10:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Vino kurova Greetings: The closing administrator was Daphne Lantier, and it was deletedecause it's a copy of the Twitter account logo To retain requires COM:OTRS permission of the copyright holder. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:40, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


I've archived the mess left by that locked account.   Daphne Lantier 19:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperhero (talk • contribs) 22:30, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Dear Ellin Beltz, you nominated my picture at File:Hyperhero.gif for deletion because you considered the license information not to be compelling. Now I updated the license information, and I added a link to the web-page where it is shown that the picture is indeed available under cc-by-sa-4.0. Do you think it is acceptable now? Or do I need to add any additional information?--Hyperhero (talk) 22:27, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Hyperhero: Replied at the deletion nomination! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
Dear Ellin Beltz: I left an additional response at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hyperhero.gif for you.--Hyperhero (talk) 02:00, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Files uploaded by PaoCalderonEdit

Hey, I nominated Files uploaded by PaoCalderon for deletion. I could see the list of the files in my contributions but now, after you deleted them, I can't see them anymore. Would you mind telling why? Regards, --Mhhossein talk 04:40, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Only administrators can see deleted files and their histories. Daphne Lantier 06:36, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
{{Hi: Mhhossein: Like Daphne said, only administrators can see the removed files, sorry! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:05, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
@Ellin Beltz, Daphne Lantier: Thank you ladies for the response. Why had I missed such a point after making many DRs? Regards, --Mhhossein talk 18:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

My Korean Jagiya

Yes, it is not my own work. So don't worry i'll think about deleting it when time comes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkwoohyun2017 (talk • contribs) 22:40, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Multiple Deletion Requests

I notice you have multiple deletion requests and that's fine. But you should have reduced the amount of individual requests for one user. Put all the appropriate photos in one deletion request. Even though Russavia has been banned, you have nominated a bunch of photos they uploaded. Put them all together to better organize them. It's easier to comment on them all rather than each individually. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 04:12, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I won't have any problems deleting them one way or the other. Besides, who comments on DRs for unused personal images? I don't see more than a handful of comments in a week on those, if that. Daphne Lantier 05:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
That's fine, but considering they've done that with others, why not do it for those? It's easier to put them all together. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 10:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
If any of these are shown to have an actual COM:EDUSE, it would be easier to address this in a single file DR rather than a mass DR. Daphne Lantier 19:00, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
@Fishhead2100: There are exactly eight images here. I'm with Daphne, I don't see your problem, unless you're the banned user in disguise? Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:54, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
@Ellin Beltz: If I was the person in question, why would I have bothered to post on your talk page? Think about how that sounds. @Daphne, why would they make individual deletion requests when they made one deletion request for others? Contradictory. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 20:17, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
It was a joke. Why are you asking Daphne why I do what I do? She's not my mom. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:19, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I can confirm this. Ellin is not my daughter. Daphne Lantier 00:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


This has been one very bad day for Commons, and you just made it a bit worse. Fortunately, I saved this file locally and I’ll be able to use it if I ever need an image of a girl in hijab that looks like a happy human being, for it is getting increasingly hard to find them in Commons. I do that kind of safe-keeping (as also storing a copy at an archive site) when the usual suspects are about to get deleted imagery covering their usual target subjects. Finding you being instrumental in the process, though, was an unexpected shock. -- Tuválkin 22:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Tuválkin: I have restored the file based on what you said. I'm sorry you're disappointed, it really didn't look like any big deal, but it's back - because it's not a big deal. OK? Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:00, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
A surprise again, and this time a very good one. Thank you, I truely think that Commons is infinitesimally richer for this and that’s good for all of us. Concerning this kind of DRs (the filing of them, not always the closures), I’ll go on trying very hard to make use of Hanlon’s Razor. -- Tuválkin 07:38, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Ellin Beltz, I am surprised to see Commons:Deletion requests/File:Rahma.jpg closed as deleted and now out of sudded restored. This is not a selfie as claimed. Did you consider my rationale? This is in violation of COM:PEOPLE as it violates the right of privacy of the depicted person. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 08:04, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I considered everything. And one of the everything's I considered is that it's not that big of a deal to put the image back to see if it can get in use. If you have something about COM:COPYVIO on it that I missed, please let me know. But the image appears to be a selfie uploaded by the person who took it, so I don't see that COM:PEOPLE would apply as there is self-knowledge of (a) taking the photo and (b) uploading the photo before it got here. I do agree it's small; but I also see the point that while we remove hundreds if not thousands of personal images of men, the selfie-uploading population to Commons which is female is much smaller and without a significant argument of "we have a better picture of this same style of Indonesian hijab," I didn't feel good about the deletion after Tuvalkin asked. One of the hard parts about being an administrator here is these borderline cases; someone will surely be disappointed in the arguers - but I now ask you AFBorchert and Tuválkin to also consider the disappointment in the administrator - who works to do the best they can and will always end up disappointing someone in these cases. At 360x360 pixels, we've now spent more ink talking about it, than the image occupies. Please go forth and nominate clear cut copyright violations; I found over a dozen book and CD covers last night. Also please nominate personal images with no value, something that on second look, I don't see in this image. Also Tineye finds exactly one copy of this - here on Commons. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:39, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Ellin Beltz, as pointed out in the DR the photo is not a selfie. This is the reason why privacy is a valid concern. I am a member of the support team and I have dealt with a number of tickets where people who found pictures of them at Commons were upset as the photos were uploaded without their consent. This is a serious problem and our policy is clear-cut per COM:PEOPLE#The right of privacy. Copyright is not the only concern we have here. In most legislations the publication of such photographs without consent is illegal. Why do you want to keep this file against policy and against the right of privacy? Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 16:06, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
AFBorchert Due to COM:AGF, I have to assume that the uploader created the selfie and uploaded it here. There is no hard evidence that opposes that. There are no finds of it in use prior to this upload, there's nothing in metadata to suggest it's not own work. I am glad you are part of the support team and I realize that you've had other experiences, but I don't see it in your argument where you wrote: I just notice that this has been nominated & kept before. Please consider the uploader wrote “pacar” in the description field. Google translate understands this as “girlfriend”. This is confirmed by the corresponding Wiktionary entry. Hence, this is apparently not a selfie. This has been photographed in a private setting, the uploader's name appears to be a real name, the title of the photo could be the given name of the depicted person. All this is very problematic in regard to COM:PEOPLE and the inexperienced uploader (this was the very only edit in all our projects) was very likely not familiar with free licenses and personality rights. There is nothing in the foregoing which suggests this was not taken by the person in the image other than a lot of assuming and projecting. I have underlined the assumptions you made which I initially bought into and on reflection no longer do. I won't block you from renominating this image endlessly until an admin agrees with you, but I'm also done discussing it now. With the greatest respect for your prior and continuing contributions to Commons, I am sincerely yours, Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


The picture in which this deletion request at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Maxresdefau55.jpg is the subject of has been deleted. It needs to be closed. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 06:01, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

  Done. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:40, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Francoise Morechand Photo user rights

Dear Ellin Beltz,

I write to you regarding the rights for the photos I added on Francoise Morechand Wikipedia page. The first one is her own photo and she gave me the full right for this picture. The second one was taken from an administrator of the French group I am the web developer of this group. The third photo was taken by the same person and was used on the petit-journal of Tokyo. Mrs Francoise Morechand gave me the full rights to use these photos.

As a web developer, I know the copyright law regarding the use of photos. I will appreciated if you take this comment in consideration. I will be the manager for this wikipedia page. I will do an English version, then when she will agree for the content, I will do a French version, then modify the Japanese version. I will use the same page format for these 3 versions and the same photos.

I am doing these modifications on Mrs Francoise Morechand behalf.

Kindly yours,

George — Preceding unsigned comment added by George hoovering (talk • contribs) 08:08, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi George: Please have the actual copyright holders of the images send their permission to COM:OTRS. I appreciate that you have some understanding of copyright law, but what you don't have is permission to upload someone else's photos to Commons and claim them as your own. Also please be advised there are no "manager for Wikipedia page", everyone is welcome to edit. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


Dear Ellin Beltz,

I am sincerely hoping that you can leave the picture File:吉隆坡双峰塔.jpg and File:Penang airport view.jpg in the Wikipedia Commons because these are my original photographs. I have snapped these two, making Wikipedia could have such pictures as reference. Other pictures are free to be deleted, as it is against copyright laws. However, it is somehow confused that just because of my previous mistakes, the ORIGINAL works have been neglected and rejected.

Thank you and please. Ginson Lim (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

As stated in the templates put on your talk page, all correspondence about deletions needs to be at the deletion nomination so that the closing administrator can consider it. Therefore, I moved this to Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Ginson Lim and am not replying on the substance here. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:25, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Ferhad Kurdi

Dear Ellin
There are many photos that have been uploaded by me, but unfortunately some of them have been deleted while they shouldn't be. Okay, I agree that some of them was against copyright policy. I have added a photo like days ago (paper aeroplane that a friend of me (User:Firm Foundations Duhok) has taken it and gave me permission to add it. TBH this disappointed me and if this is going to continue I would not be able to continue my contribution. I don't mean to be rude, hope you understand. m Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferhad Kurdi (talk • contribs) 08:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Greetings Ferhad Kurdi, I guess you also saw on your talk page where Hedwig in Washington left you a box notice which says that you will be blocked for uploading more copyright violations. If I were you, I'd read and understand COM:L and COM:SCOPE and refrain from helping yourself to the pictures of other people (as you describe "friend of me") to Commons. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:29, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

incomplete deletion request

Hello Ellin Beltz,
I just have noticed that your deletion request on File:Clapperboard.png seen on User_talk:The_Scriptographer appears to be incomplete. Maybe you forgot something? --Zaccarias (talk) 11:56, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

No - the user just broke the notification template. DR is at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Socialbilitty-Clapperboard.png as Ellin informed the user. Storkk (talk) 12:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Borrado de imágenes

Hola! Puedes ayudarme a subir mis imágenes? fueron creadas por mi utilizando inkscape. Pero no se como demostrarlo. Gracias --Alegallega (talk) 15:29, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Alegallega! I replied on your talk page! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Passed to say hello

Hi there. I think you might have touched some wrong button in closing Commons:Deletion requests/File:Fly Fierra cool.png, because it has two rectangular frames covering the discussion. I have seen other closing admins doing the same small mistake, but forgot to tell'em. Take care. --E4024 (talk) 08:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi E4024 That happens sometimes with the automated tools, it puts up a duplicate {{delh}} and {{delf}} pair, and repeats the closing statement. Don't ever hesitate to point out stuff and thanks for pointing this one out! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:02, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Historic Images

If an image of an historic property dates to 1901, and has been published giving that date, though the photographer is unknown, can it still be uploaded to commons? --Southern.historian (talk) 17:17, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Southern.historian. I replied at your talk page where it might be easier for you to keep for reference! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:09, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Ellin Beltz, thank you for all your help and guidance. --Southern.historian (talk) 13:39, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Commons Conference project

Hello Ellin,

I'm writing you as one of the most active Commons users right now. Since a while now, the idea of a dedicated Commons conference has been floating around. But since the last Wikimania concrete steps have been taken to actually make it happen next year. If you're interested in participation or maybe willing to help organize the first ever Commons Conference, I invite you to check out the project page and leave your comments; or just show your support for the idea, by signing up.


--MB-one (talk) 20:01, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi MB-one. I signed up as "interested" but unlikely to attend distant meetings. While I used to love to travel and logged over 1,000,000 air miles, the hassles related to flying and crossing borders in the last decade have convinced me to stay home for all but the most essential travel, which so far has been none. When and if civility re-enters the air travel industry I may revisit my opinion. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:58, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Admin's Barnstar
I noticed the talk page semi-protection - that's a definite sign of an active admin! Keep up the great work!   INeverCry 04:27, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Also, if it makes you feel any better, at least you don't get messages like these. That's this guy... INeverCry 04:31, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect deletion of two images

Hello, I saw that you've deleted several images of signatures as part of this project. However at least two of them should have been allowed. It's these two:

The PD signature page states that "If a signature is originally from documents of legislative, administrative, or judicial nature, it is in the public domain" and these two were indeed done as part of Mao's administrative work, specifically he was signing official documents for the opening of a factory.

I had put the sources in both cases. Would it be possible to please restore these two?

Also now I'm wondering about the rest of the signatures? Were they checked before being deleted? Perhaps they were also in the public domain? Laurent (talk) 14:28, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi WikiLaurent: This deletion is now very old. I don't like taking unilateral actions after a year and almost a half. Please take your request to COM:UNDEL where I will not support nor oppose your request. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:51, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

DR Flags

How can all these flags even exist? This flags are just the shield of the city, inside a flag. Neither one exist.

This flags do not exist and will not exist, are just rampant lie. There were not new provinces created in new year

There is a lot of garbage created by the user User:MRDU08~commonswiki and recently Santiago RD. --Osplace (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Osplace If they are - as you say - so terrible, why are they in use? Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:33, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Images députés espagnols

Bonjour, vous demandez la suppression des plus de 320 images que j'ai importées relatives aux députés espagnols. Le Congrès des députés autorise l'utilisation de leurs images si la source du Congrès est mentionnée. Au lieu de supprimer purement les fichier, il convient donc de rajouter la source [10] dans la description de chaque image. Merci ! --Raphaelb49 (talk) 18:17, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Greetings Raphaelb49: Please add a proper source to the images. The source you provided does not show each image. The source must lead to the image itself and to a page with the license of the image also. I am not going to do this for you, COM:EVID requires the person who uploaded the images to provide proper source for each one. Cheers.
Salutations Raphaelb49: Ajoutez une source appropriée aux images. La source fournie ne montre pas chaque image. La source doit conduire à l'image elle-même et à une page avec la licence de l'image aussi. Je ne vais pas le faire pour vous, COM: EVID demande à la personne qui a téléchargé les images de fournir la source appropriée pour chacune d'elles. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Bonjour Ellin Beltz. Pourquoi le même argumentaire utilisé sur File:José Manuel Maza 2017.png ne pose pas problème ? Qu'est-ce qui change par rapport aux photos de députés que j'avais importé ? --Raphaelb49 (talk) 15:57, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi Raphaelb49: The uploader provided proper license and source. Your images were not sourced. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:33, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Photos députés espagnoles

Bonjour Ellin Beltz. Pourquoi le même argumentaire utilisé sur [[File:José Manuel Maza 2017.png]] ne pose pas problème ? Qu'est-ce qui change par rapport aux photos de députés que j'avais importé ? --Raphaelb49 (talk) 15:57, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand why mines were deleted. --Raphaelb49 (talk) 16:33, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi Raphaelb49: Because the images you uploaded did not have COM:SOURCE or COM:LICENSE. For example, one of your many images which have been deleted: File:Mar Cotelo Balmaseda.png , the original upload template reads:
|description={{fr|1=Député espagnol}}
|other versions=
Notice there is no link at all to the source of the image, and that the license is impossible. Hence it was deleted.
By the way, the image File:José_Manuel_Maza_2017.png is listed for deletion at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:José_Manuel_Maza_2017.png due to licensing problems. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Okey, I understand since the deletion was requested for José Manuel Maza. Thank you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raphaelb49 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

File:Zachary Gordon 2011 (cropped).jpg

You actually restored/kept the copyvio image. --Denniss (talk) 18:34, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Denniss: Well, crud. I'm sorry I misunderstood that the "in between" images were not the very small blurry ones, but the big sharp one. I have looked through all the revisions and am not sure how to proceed to revert this, so I will ask at administrator's for someone else to over-ride my error. So sorry, thank you for pointing it out. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:05, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

No copyright violation

Hi Ellin, thanks for proofing Wikipedia content. All this images at: are not a copyright violation, because I'm the author of all those images. Do I have to write an email with copy of a written permission to OTRS ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Einsgoeins (talk • contribs) 17:21, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Einsgoins I replied at your talk page! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:20, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


I restarted the deletion request. That image is actually a computer font and is copyrighted. (I can read Chinese) SYSS Mouse (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi SYSS Mouse, Thank you for the additional clarity on this nomination! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ellin

Hope that you enjoy this set, I covered this event for a media org, but wanted to share these with you :

Velsheda Topz and Svea Race 7 J Class worlds, Newport Rhode Island
J class world cup
J Class Yachts Velsheda, Topaz and Svea downwind legs
J class worlds

Hanuman wins race 7 J Class worlds NYYC

You can read more about the event here:, I am lucky to be a part of it! These yachts were once sailed in this same area, in the 1930's Americas Cup regattas. I have been fortunate enough to sail them myself, a remarkable experience to say the least. Hope you are yours are well, Cheers! --Don (talk) 06:38, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Don: Awesome photos, thank you so much for the link!! Looks cool and fun compared to northern California right now which is hot, dry and parts are on fire. Thank you for thinking of me. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:06, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Learning Opportunity

Hello Ms. Beltz,

I'm writing to inquire about what mistake I made with my 2 picture uploads. They are from me and my friends (people a part of The LOVE Movement). Is that wrong? I was a senior in HS then and I'm a Freshmen in College now. However, we were all 18 at the time of the picture. Is that the issue?

Thanks for your understanding ma'am.

Nick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Gilliard at Life Over Violence Epidemic (LOVE) (talk • contribs)

Hi Nick Gilliard at Life Over Violence Epidemic (LOVE): Please visit Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Nick Gilliard at Life Over Violence Epidemic (LOVE) and read that these images were found to be from the website listed. There was no indication that the uploader actually created the images as required by COM:L. Also, to be in COM:SCOPE, there has to be educational utility. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Uploads by User:Soldatryan58

Hi, I noticed that you tagged uploads by Soldatryan58 for deletion. I'd previously listed one of the user's uploads for deletion and they claimed that they are Paul Monnier. I think an OTRS ticket is in order and speedy deletion doesn't apply. Ytoyoda (talk) 17:37, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually I found that they claimed to be two names, there's a note on their user page. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

George Bain images

Hey there! Hoping you can help with the George Bain images that have been nominated for deletion. They were uploaded as part of a GLAM-Wiki project with the Groam House Museum (who own the copyright) back in 2016, using the Pattypan uploader, which should have shown them not as being my "own work" (which they certainly are not), but crediting the Groam House Museum / George Bain estate, who were happy for them to be uploaded to Wiki, I just helped with the upload. All this was done in good faith, so I'd appreciate any help you can offer. I'd not come across the OTRS processes before (see my previous deletion log - I wasn't in a position to get the paperwork processed in time, so will need to restart those once I've got some time.) Thanks! Lirazelf (talk) 12:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Lirazelf: If you file COM:OTRS for images, even if the image is now "removed," OTRS admins can restore the image to visability. For the George Bain images, the copyright holder will have to file COM:OTRS, that anyone was "happy for them to be uploaded" is fabulous, but we need to know that these images are indeed approved for free use globally. The uploading system doesn't apply the licenses; the uploader does. Please take a minute to read COM:L and COM:HIRTLE (the latter probably easier to understand at first), to see the types of licenses which need to be applied. The "SA" series are "self" licenses and are not applicable to materials created by others. Ask any questions you want, here or by email. If you email me through the system and wish a private reply, please include the email address to which you wish me to respond. Thank you for your contributions, your patience and understanding as you learn the system!! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Grand, thanks Ellin Beltz, much appreciated. I know that the curator I worked with has now moved on, hopefully though I should still be able to contact one of the board of directors to get the OTRS paperwork in place. Thanks again, and I may well email you in future, if that's ok. :) Lirazelf (talk) 08:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


Look. I took/created everything I uploaded. You can believe that or not, but I am a site administrator on ENWP who wrote a lot of Phillies articles and went to a few games to learn some more/get some data and just happened to try taking a few (admittedly low quality) photos while I was there. I'd appreciate if you actually assumed good faith, as your page indicates you do, but whatever -- delete away if you really think that's in the best interests of the encyclopedia. Just know that most of these players have no other images, and something, in my opinion, is generally better than nothing. Go Phightins! (talk) 01:41, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi GoPhigtins!: It would be best if you replied at the link provided on your talk page, as nothing we discuss here has bearing with the closing admin. Besides leaving your comments there, it would be a good idea to upload larger and higher quality images as both the size of the picture and the small number of pixels per picture are part of the problem. If you can't upload better ones for some reason, please include the reason why you can't at the link on your talk page to the deletion discussion and the closing admin will make a ruling. I'd point out that if they are removed, there is additional recourse at COM:UNDEL and/or COM:OTRS as no picture removed from visibility is actually ever gone from the system. I do totally assume good faith of everyone, both before and after sometimes some few upload images which they may or may not have known at the time would be a problem. We have many times had to remove photos taken by people (including me and other admins), because of COM:COPYVIO issues, COM:DWs, and of course COM:SCOPE. Deletion nominations are not a judgement, but a process. Thank you for being so active on ENWP!! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:02, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Shadowville Speedway CD cover.jpg

  • The artwork in question is to my Shadowville Speedway compact disc release of 2009, to which I own all Copyright (references and evidence posted below), with my collaborator Henry F. Conley.

(data redact) --Will Dockery (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Will Dockery: There is a super simple solution. Please fill out the simple email at COM:OTRS and return. When they've stamped it into their system, they give you an I.D. number to put in the file template and the situation is resolved. Removed files can be restored by OTRS admins after the process is complete. BTW, I redacted most of what you sent, because the answer is so easy   Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Map series

These maps were made before 1930 and they are free of copyright. I applied few of my signs. --Gruzin (talk) 16:34, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Please discuss at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Gruzin, nothing on any talk page is considered by closing administrator. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

pictures removal

could you please delete this this and this ? thank you--Sweetcorn (talk) 12:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Sweetcorn: Why do you think those three images need to be deleted, please? Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:18, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
PS, No admin shopping, I read yours at Village Pump and all the Deletion Nominations closed as Kept by Hedwig in Washington. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:24, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Admins aren't shoppable. Nobody will pay anything for us....   --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 16:11, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Mozart Kugeln chocolates

Hello Ellin! Would you like to explain me why the same kind of Mozart Kugeln pictures in the category Mozartkugel are not nominated for deletion, and my pictures are deleted? Those are also pictures of chocolates and their original boxes. Hortensja Bukietowa (talk) 19:56, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Hortensja Bukietowa, Please leave comments and questions about this at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Hortensja Bukietowa where the nomination is located? The closing administrator can only take into account statements on the nomination page. As for why "others of similar type are not nominated," that falls into what we call "other stuff exists" and doesn't help save or remove existing photos, each of which is based on it's own situation. So for yours, I nominated them because they are COM:PACKAGING, clear pictures of how something is packaged, complete with a derivative work of the illustration from the company. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:07, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

No heading

Dear Ellin Beltz, I have noticed that the files I had uploaded have been deleted. However, I would like to submit that I have been given to understand that the two owners/copyright holders of those photographs had already sent an email on November 10, 2017 to as per your instructions permitting their usage on Wikimedia or elsewhere.. I have received the ticket numbers from them as well: [Ticket#: 2017111010007163] & [Ticket#: 2017111010007216]. Please provide me with further instructions so that photographs are reinstated in their current places. S M M Iqbal November 14, 2017 14:24 IST

S M M Iqbal: The OTRS administrators will handle the image from now on. They are backed up and will get to it as they get to it. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:59, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

DSS image

Please read this text from STScI

Unless otherwise stated, all material on the site was produced by NASA and STScI. Material on this site produced by STScI was created, authored, and/or prepared for NASA under Contract NAS5-26555. UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFICALLY STATED, NO CLAIM TO COPYRIGHT IS BEING ASSERTED BY STSCI AND MATERIAL ON THIS SITE MAY BE FREELY USED AS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN IN ACCORDANCE WITH NASA'S CONTRACT. However, it is requested that in any subsequent use of this work NASA and STScI be given appropriate acknowledgement. STScI further requests voluntary reporting of all use, derivative creation, and other alteration of this work. Such reporting should be sent to

DSS is a project of STScI and are of public domain. Could you inform the persons who always ask deletion of DSS image of this.

--Donald Pelletier (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Donald Pelletier If you have input to individual deletion requests, please feel free to leave it there. That "other stuff exists" is great, but each image is considered as an individual unit. I would appreciate it if you would not shout at me on my talk page. That is unnecessarily rude and unfortunately, what I can see of the facts of this case do not support your claims.
On the image I presume is in question File:NGC 0222 DSS.jpg the template read
{{delete|reason=DSS images are copyrighted, see|subpage=File:NGC_0222_DSS.jpg |year=2017|month=November|day=5}}
|description={{fr|1=Image créée à l'aide du logiciel Aladin Sky Atlas du Centre de Données astronomiques de Strasbourg et des données de DSS (Digitized Sky Survey).}}
|author=[[User:Donald Pelletier|Donald Pelletier]]
|other versions=
[[Category:NGC objects]]
No where on that template is a link to the source file at the DSS archive, instead you have claimed it as own work, which it clearly is not. So when the nominator searched the image, and found it, they went to the copyright page of that project which does not agree with what you shouted above. Instead it reads "DSS Copyright Information - Each sky-survey file provided by this network server is copyright under one of the provisions listed below."
Which are
... copyright © 1993-5 by the Anglo-Australian Observatory Board, and are distributed herein by agreement.
... copyright © 1992-5, jointly by the UK SERC/PPARC (Particle Physics and Astronomy Research Council, formerly Science and Engineering Research Council) and the Anglo-Australian Telescope Board, and are distributed herein by agreement.
... copyright © 1993-1995 by the California Institute of Technology and are distributed herein by agreement.
... All material not subject to one of the above copyright provisions is copyright © 1995 by the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy, Inc."
I do not find the same information you chose to shout at me at the source/copyright page of the image that was found by the Deletion nominator. Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:42, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

pictures removal

could you please delete this this and this ? thank you--Sweetcorn (talk) 12:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Sweetcorn: Why do you think those three images need to be deleted, please? Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:18, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
I need those to be deleted. They are non-enciclopedical. --Sweetcorn (talk) 00:08, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) see --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 00:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Talk page fixes

This thread was apparently restarted by editing a pre-archive version of the entire page. I have restored the sections below (and deleted one above that’s already in the archive). I was hesitant to delete the archived copy of (the start of) this section, but you may wish to.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 02:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Doug Jones

I was given permission to post Doug Jones picture from the Doug Jones Campaign. I've got people calling me from the campaign irate, wanting to know why his picture was removed. Contact me so this can be fixed.—inunotaisho26 (talk)

Hi inunotaisho26, It's super simple... the actual copyright holder fills in the simple email form at COM:OTRS to provide permission to retain the image. When that's approved, the image is restored. As to why "his picture was removed," because you haven't provided the copyright holder's approval to Commons via COM:OTRS. This protects actual creators from people who would upload images and say "I have permission," but don't. Since the campaign wants the image here, it will be easy for them to work with the OTRS admins to fix it. Also, according to the file history, "03:12, 16 October 2017 Jcb deleted page File:Doug Jones for Senate.jpg (No OTRS permission for 30 days)." I've pinged Jcb in case there's additional input. Also of interest is that the files which are still here (File:Doug Jones for Senate.png and File:MoveOn DougJonesEndorsement.png) were uploaded by SecretName101, not inuotaisho26. Do you have more than one account? Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:07, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
The OTRS ticket did not contain any message from the copyright holder. Jcb (talk) 18:29, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


Dear Ellin -- I have just received permission for the photo of Joe Clifford, which you recently deleted in accord with policy. I am submitting an undeletion request. Thank you. Rory1262 (talk) 12:11, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Rory1262: Hopefully you had them send it to COM:OTRS? Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes. :) (and regrets with regard to "shouting" -- how should I have finessed what I put?) Rory1262 (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Rory1262 (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Rory1262 It was the message (now archived), ahead of your heading which was ALL_CAPS and shouting. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


Hi Ellin, The uploader should be informed that his image is deleted, or requested to be deleted. Regards, Yann (talk) 21:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Yann, The nomination was done by " (diff) 07:21, 23 November 2017 . . Amakuru (talk | contribs | block) (433 bytes) (possibly copyvio)", I have no idea why the system did not inform the uploader. Do you have idea why the system might have failed? If not, perhaps post a bug report? Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
It seems Amakuru manually added the tag, but didn't inform the uploader. Otherwise, I have no idea why Johnsoft123 was not informed. Regards, Yann (talk) 21:36, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
@Ellin Beltz: @Yann: apologies if I didn't follow the proper procedure, I'm not completely familiar with how it works, but the instructions at Commons:Licensing don't seem to cover at all what to do if you suspect there may be a copyvio. In this case I wasn't certain, because the uploader claimed to be the subject of the photo, but I thought it somewhat suspicious because the user name was "John..." rather than "Saara...". My desire was to have an expierience commons user look at the photo and decide what to do with it, and I thought the template I used might be the right one. I wasn't aware that I should notify the uploader. If that was in error, please could you point me to the instructions detailing what I should actually do in this case? Thanks Amakuru (talk) 10:00, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Amakuru Did you use the blue button to left of your screen to report the copyvio, or did you place the tag manually?? Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Don Gregio Anton

Hi Ellin Beltz,

You have nominated a number of files for deletion that were uploaded by BLAN-JU. In the article Don Gregorio Antón, the infobox image is one of those that you have nominated. The remainder of the images were uploaded by the same editor but are not on your list. I don't understand the details of copyright, but I am concerned about these images. They come from journals, a blog, and youTube, and all are sourced as 'own work'. Are these OK? Thanks for your help, Leschnei (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Leschnei: Please see where you will notice that these images have been deleted previously by Commons administrator Steinsplitter. The reason for this is that BLAN-JU uploaded images which do not belong to him/her and claimed them as "own work". If s/he were able to get COM:OTRS permission for the images, they've had plenty of time to do so during the prior deletion nominations:
Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by BLAN-JU
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Don Gregorio Antón.jpg
Commons:Deletion requests/File:It was not here.jpg
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mas y Menos.jpg
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ollin Mecatl.jpg
Commons:Deletion requests/File:A Donde Vas.jpg
Commons:Deletion requests/File:Recuerda.jpg
I personally have a hard time believing that an emeritus Humboldt State University professor would be unable to follow uploading instructions, answer Deletion Nominations and so on, so I have trouble believing that BLAN-JU is actually the subject/creator of these images. And based on Commons policy, reuploading formerly deleted images is grounds for removing those images again - obviously as they were copyvios the first time, they're copyright violations the second time as well.
Unrelated to these Commons deletions, I'd point out that the history of that article is about 90% written by BLAN-JU, and has been edited by Binksternet to remove various problems which are generally classified as "too close to subject" or "promotionalism." I hope this answers your question, if not, please write back. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the very complete answer; you pretty much confirmed what I was thinking. Leschnei (talk) 18:34, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Image review question

Is there any quicker way than manually reviewing every single file in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review? I see many images, maybe several thousand, are US government employee images and they all seem to be tagged on Flickr with the Public Domain Mark 1.0 and they do have a suitable PD-USGov-xxx tag here. However, they still need a review. I don't see that "Perform batch task" can be used and even if I added my good review template {{flickrreview|ww2censor|~~~~~}}, it would still leave the "FlickreviewR 2" review required template. There is plenty of other reviewing to do but I thought if a speedier way was possible I might do some work there. Thanks. Ww2censor (talk) 14:37, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ww2censor: If there is, I don't know it. This might be a good question for the Village Pump! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bart meijers-1489238923.jpg

Hello! Could you please reconsider your decision on Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bart meijers-1489238923.jpg? The uploader even agrees that the file should be deleted. Thanks, Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:02, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sjoerddebruin: The file has OTRS permission, taking it out for copyright violation would seem in contrast to that. If you have any suggestions why OTRS would have failed in this instance, I'll be happy to not oppose another deletion request. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Because the OTRS permission was send by someone else than the rightful owner of this work and thus invalid. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 18:12, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sjoerddebruin: You will need an OTRS administrator to discuss this, I don't have access to their queue. Here's the volunteers: Category:Commons OTRS volunteers, from which I'm asking Revent to join us. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:15, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Not sure if pinging someone who has been inactive since the half of October will help us further. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 16:00, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok, then ping Jon Kolbert. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:33, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
I've taken a look, the e-mail appears to be in Dutch. I'd rather have an OTRS agent who speaks Dutch respond to this because I have little confidence in Google Translate. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Jon Kolbert (talk) 21:39, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Picture deletion: "Georgios Averof" in dazzle paint, WW2 Bombay Harbor

Hello, Ellin.

I am contacting you regarding your recent decision to side with fellow deletion-administrator, Johan Bos, and remove the above picture from the Wikipedia page, "Greek Cruiser Georgios Averof" and 10 other related sites, including the quasi-official Wikipedia page of the "Hellenic Navy".

You are repeating Johan's position that it can only be assumed that this image is a UK Royal Navy photo (1942) which is then subject to the provisions of expired UK statutory Crown Copyright. At what point does an assumption become reality? Especially as the statutory provisions of Crown Copyright and UK Royal Navy wartime mandates indicate that no one but HM's government might legally make a copyright claim to this image.

In 2013, the Hellenic Navy acknowledged the UK public domain status of this photo and colorized it for the sale of paper prints, at-or-from the Georgios Averof museum gift-and-book shop. As you probably know, the Hellenic Navy proudly preserves the Averof as a commissioned vessel in their fleet and a prized museum ship. Their photos carry the imprint -- "Colorized by the Hellenic Navy". While they reserved the right to the duplication of these colorized prints for sale, the Hellenic Navy allows for their media to be used to promote the history and heritage of the ship. A footnote regarding fair use of all images found on official Hellenic Navy websites is given at the bottom of Wikipedia's "Hellenic Navy" page. In any event, they make no copyright claim to the underlying B&W image, which they acknowledge as UK Public Domain per the UK Royal Navy's rights of origin.

The Averof was serving under the command of the UK Royal Navy and subject to all UK Crown Copyright and wartime photographic provisions at the time the picture was taken. There are four known images of the Averof in dazzle paint, apparently taken at the same location on two dates during WW2. Three of these are acknowledged UK Public Domain images that are available from the Hellenic Navy and the Hellenic Maritime Museum.

The fourth is in the collection of the Australian War Memorial. It is catalogued as photo 305863 (look it up on their website) and is listed as Public Domain due to expired UK Crown-Copyright.

The AWM is an official UK Commonwealth agency. If they acknowledge that their dazzle-paint image carries the status of expired Crown Copyright, then I strongly feel that Wikipedia should acknowledge the deleted image of the Averof as holding the same. Such official recognitions of UK Crown Copyright Public Domain status by Greek and Commonwealth agencies, regarding this vessel's known dazzle paint photos, should be the determining factor acknowledged in your decision, not Johan Bos' determination not be overruled.

Thank you. Bbaldwin7 Bbaldwin7 (talk) 23:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Bbaldwin7 What was missing was an actual source that shows all this and not a lot of discussion. I was unable to verify the statements. If you can succinctly provide the information, I will review it. However, assumptions about "wartime photographic provisions" etc. are **assumptions**. We need an actual source for the image which has verifiable information about the license. And there is no "fair use" on Commons. You might be able to upload the image under fair use to one of the sister projects, e.g. en:wiki, but it's not possible to include this in Commons if you're arguing "fair use". That they reserve the rights to sell the colorized image (as you state above) is not a free license, as that is a Non-Commercial restriction and Commons does not accept Non-Commercial licenses. If the image were from the original public domain image, and you colorized it - you could release that copyright; but the museum has a non-commercial restriction, there is no fair use on Commons and I deleted the image. Again, if you can find written documentation from the actual copyright holders which releases the image fully PD, we can revisit this. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:46, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy holidays! 2018! ;)

    * Happy Holidays 2018, Ellin Beltz! *
  • Merry Christmas! Happy New Year!
  • Joyeux Noël ! Bonne année!
  • Frohes Weihnachten! Frohes Neues Jahr!
  • Счастливого Рождества! С Новым годом!
  • ¡Feliz Navidad y próspero año nuevo!
  • Щасливого Різдва! З Новим роком!

-- George Chernilevsky talk 18:34, 25 December 2017 (UTC)   

Hey Ellin!


I have a feeling that 2018 will glow for us all! Cheers ~ --Don (talk) 02:47, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Don!! Gorgeous Photo!! Yes, let's hope 2018 glows not lows ! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Copyright violations get deleted

Hallo Ellin! You deleted one image I uploaded a couple of days ago. How can I publish it accoringly to wikimedia commons rule? thanks . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webteam unitrento (talk • contribs)

Hi Webteam unitrento: One of the foremost rules of Wikimedia Commons is that the image cannot be a copyright violation. See for the apparent original of your upload. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 22:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Ellin Beltz: I'm in charge of updating University of Trento's wikipedia information. That site you're referring to is into Unitn's web. It's not a copyright violation: that's one of our pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webteam unitrento (talk • contribs)
Hi again Webteam unitrento: I put a conflict of interest tag on the University of Trento page for you. If indeed there is copyright permission available for the/se images, have the officials at University of Trento, or the original photographer send COM:OTRS permission as stated on that page. Until you have actual permission, there is no way for you personally to license those images, which is - of course - why they were deleted. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:13, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Indian loco deletions

Hi Ellin, could you please explain the issue with these two? AFAIR, they were uploader-taken photos of a model and should have been acceptable?

Andy Dingley (talk) 10:28, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Andy: The copyright violation notice read: {{copyvio|1=Copied from a video released by the Indian Railways under copy-right here []. The youtube channel clearly states that this is a copy-right and does not release it under any license. A similar image was deleted a few days ago.}}. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have been taken by the uploader as they were in the YouTube with copyright statement as noticed. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Oh, they're lifts from a video, not just photos? OK then.
BTW, they've re-appeared on en:WP. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

MP Photos

Hi there. Could you in plain English please tell me what I've done wrong in terms of copyright permission regarding a photo on Bob Seely's wikipedia page and maybe help me correct it? Paulharding150 (talk) 16:03, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Answered at your talk page! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


Bonjour. Il y a un souci avec cette photo. JE SUIS Didier LE BORNEC, et cette photo est ma photo.

Bien à vous, Didier LE BORNEC . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dileborn (talk • contribs)

Hi Dileborn: Salutations, Veuillez répondre à Commons:Deletion requests/File:Photo de Didier LE BORNEC.jpg au lieu de sur ma "page de discussion". Je vous remercie! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC) . PS I used Google Translate, I hope it's ok!!

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usernamekiran(talk) 01:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)


Hi. I'm agree with the deletion of "File:Julen-Euro96.png", in fact I did't used it to illustrate any article. But this file "File:Kiko_1995.png", it's an own file from 1995, so there is a mistake with the delation. Thanks for your attention, you can answer down here. Puente aereo (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Puente aereo: It was deleted because of "". Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

File:Parviz Khosravani Taj Owner.jpg

Why did you delete this photo?--Vathlu (talk) 04:54, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Because it was and is not licensed properly. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:38, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jane Bonham Carter at Brighton 2013.jpg

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jane Bonham Carter at Brighton 2013.jpg - I don't think you got this one right. The file is not a duplicate, nominator overwrote it with a copy of another file. Look at my comment and the file history. --GRuban (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi GRuban: You're right. It's fixed. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:43, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
  Thanks! Could you also change your comment on the request page itself? It still says "deleted", which may cause confusion later. --GRuban (talk) 14:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
  Done Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:31, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
    --GRuban (talk) 14:02, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Սեւակ Խանաղյանի նկարը

Ողջույն, հարգելի Elline Beltz, ես չգիտեի, որ Եվրատեսիլի բեմի նկարները չի կարելի գցել Վիքիպեդիա: Ես չգիտեմ թե ինչպես են ջնջում նկարը: Եթե ինչ-որ սխալ եմ արել կներեք :( Armenchik15 (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

  • google translate Sevak Khanaghyan's picture - Hello, dear Elline Beltz, I did not know that the Eurovision Song Contest could not be dropped on Wikipedia. I do not know how to delete a picture. If you've made a mistake, I'm sorry (Armenchik15 (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Armenchik15: Please see COM:L and COM:CSM for more information on why your image was nominated. Don't worry about how to delete it. Some other administrator will delete if they agree with the nomination. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:53, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
  • (Գուգլ թարգմանիչ) Hi Armenchik15: Խնդրում ենք COM: L - ին եւ COM: CSM - ում լրացուցիչ տեղեկություններ ստանալու համար, թե ինչու է ձեր պատկերը առաջադրվել: Մի անհանգստացեք, թե ինչպես ջնջել այն: Որոշ այլ ադմինիստրատորը կհեռացնի, եթե համաձայնեն առաջադրմանը: Ողջույններ.

Լավ, շատ շնորհակալություն Armenchik15 (talk) 14:38, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving

Deletion of OTRS file

Yesterday you have deleted a file that is a cropped version of an OTRS file. The license is CC-BY-SA-DE and so is the cropped version. Can you please undelete it. I yet had given my explanation over here: File talk:Movie Poster Männin (cropped).jpg Ymnes (talk) 08:32, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

  Done And repaired the OTRS notice on the file which was only partially present and thus did not show on the file template. Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:05, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Ymnes (talk) 17:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Timar56

Hi, you forgot to delete some of these pictures. --Regasterios (talk) 19:21, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Regasterios: The system crashed me out in the middle, I got them now! Thanks for the headsup! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:31, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Ajay Eknathji Meshram

Think you missed a warrior prince. - Alexis Jazz 19:46, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Alexis Jazz: You're right! Thanks for the note! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:31, 2 April 2018 (UTC)



I hope you don't mind I am contacting you regarding this, but I think you might be the right person to help me.

As an OTRS agent(verify) received an OTRS permission by Mrs RINGOT, but we can't find what were the picture names before deletion. Are you able to see which one had this category so I can request a temporary undeletion to confirm with Mrs RINGOT that she is the owner?

Thank you in advance for your help

Best regards

--AntonierCH (d) 00:42, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi AntonierCH: I have reviewed the deleted contributions of the uploader[11] back to 2014 and I don't find any other pictures by Ms. Ringot. Since none by that author seem to have been deleted, I can't help you with picture names before deletion. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Bronx Historical Society deleted material

Good Afternoon Ellin, I'm taking over as our contact for The Bronx County Historical Society's Wikipedia page. I would like to have the photos as well as our written content that was deleted "undeleted" because if it is just a matter of adding citations, I will add them.

I would appreciate your help in this process.

Thank you, Vivian Davis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonas1639 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jonas1639 "Vivian": It's not quite that simple. The problems with the files were many and various, but the common thread was that insufficient information was provided to justify the copyright licenses provided. Have you read the talk page from before and also COM:L? Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Undelete / restore request for image file on page:

I am editing the page, on the request of Victoria Seaman. She is a former legislator who served in the Nevada State Assembly from 2014 through 2016. On March 16, 2016 Victoria added a photograph to her Wikipedia page. This photograph was her official portrait that was on the Nevada State Assembly web page of current members. An archive of the page can be found here:

The photograph on this page can also be found on other websites, including According to the image permission page on, it says that has permission to use the image that is on this page. I believe that Wikipedia allows use of a photograph with that person's consent.

Because of these reasons, I request that the image, File:V Seaman.jpg be restored to: If the file is no longer available on Wikipedia, Victoria Seaman has provided a copy of the photograph. I request that I be allowed to upload the photograph to her page based on the information I provided here.

See for information on deletion debate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeffW02 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Hiya JeffW02: The problem is in the upload template and your statements above: "== {{int:filedesc}} =={{Information|description={{en|1=Legislative photo}}|date=2014-11-12|source={{own}}|author=[[User:Victoriaseaman|Victoriaseaman]]}} == {{int:license-header}} == {{self|cc-by-sa-4.0}} because it's not own work, it was taken from a website. Whatever "Ballotpedia" is, it's not Wikimedia Commons. To be retained/restored, permission from the actual copyright holder via the simple COM:OTRS process is required. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:35, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello Ellin_Beltz: Thank you for your reply. I have read the first section on the page, While I have permission from the person whose picture I wish to upload, it is not clear who the copyright holder is or if there is a copyright on the photograph. As mentioned in my initial comment, the photograph was on the website operated by the US State of Nevada. Because this is a government agency it not clear if a copyright exists. I'll have the person whose picture I wish to upload, go through the OTRS process. For your information the website, is a like Wikipedia, a MediaWiki based platform. Unlike Wikipedia which is a general purpose site that contains information on many subject areas, contains information on United States of America political, election and public policy. There is a Wikipedia article that discusses this site: — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeffW02 (talk • contribs)
Hi again JeffW02:
1.) I read the page you linked on en:wiki, however Ballotpedia has absolutely zero to do with Wikimedia Commons. According to the en:wiki page, "Ballotpedia is sponsored by the Lucy Burns Institute, a nonprofit organization based in Middleton, Wisconsin" - and obviously not affiliated with Wikipedia or Commons.
2.) That a photo was used on a website operated by State of Nevada does not produce any copyright confusion.
3.) The website of the state of Nevada reads quite clearly "The Official State of Nevada Website | Copyright ©2017 State of Nevada - All Rights Reserved" at the bottom.
4.) The upload template of the image on Commons reads "own work" and no reference to state of Nevada in any form. No one has ever provided a link to any source for this image.
5.) If you don't know who owns the copyright, the image cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Please read COM:L if you are still confused.
6.) Please sign all correspondence on Commons with four tildes ~~~~ . The system will append your signature link. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Active admin

Hi. I was looking for an active admin. I see that you are also a 'crat. I have no idea if the latter gives you any special responsibility to keep a decent atmosphere in Commons, but please help with my first report at the CAN/Up. Referral to heated skewers and body parts is even heavier than I, a very tolerant person, can carry. --E4024 (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi E4024: I can't get google translate to tell me what he said? Any source of translation for that comment would be helpful. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
You want to know the exact place where that skewer would enter? That necessary? --E4024 (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi E4024: I can't get google translate to show me anything that looks like an insult and I don't speak Kurdish, or Turkish to attempt to guess the meaning. I'm so sorry but all I get is a meaningless string of words, and I can't act on that. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the trust you deposit on me, then. Good-bye. --E4024 (talk) 16:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi E4024: I have to maintain COM:AGF on all users and cannot block anyone without proof. I do not doubt what you say, but I can't prove it, thus cannot take unilateral action. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:38, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello Ellin, Benjamin here, much oblige for your input. I am an archivist/genealogist, who is collaborating on a book of Doundoulakis' Arecibo antenna design. I have combed through his archive at the National Hellenic Museum in Chicago. The files in question are:

Three from Herald Tribune, NY, 1959. The newspaper article is photographed from Doundoulakis' archives at the National Hellenic Museum, showing article by Professor William Gordon, in the Engineer's supplement of the New York Herald Tribune, 1959, is cleaned up. Shall I upload original, yellowed article? NY Herald Tribune stopped publishing in 1966.

File:Fullsizeoutput 1fb0.jpg File:Fullsizeoutput 1fb2.jpg File:Fullsizeoutput 1fb3.jpg

This file is from US Signal Corps, 1945. The files of George Doundoulakis from United States Signal Corps newspaper, 1945, aren't they the Status of works of the government. In many (but not all) countries, documents published by the government for official use are in the public domain.? They were photographed and cleaned up; you are correct. Shall I upload the originals (in old yellow-tinged color)? Or, delete this since it is redundant?

File:Fullsizeoutput 15ea.jpg

This file is George Doundoulakis' closeup, from National Hellenic Museum archive files on Doundoulakis brothers. It is also cleaned up.

File:George James Doundoulakis.jpg

   File:Fullsizeoutput 1f98.jpg

The file named, "File:1943. Saboteurs John (Yanni) Androulakis, left, with Kimon Zografakis, at the time of the Peza oil depot sabotage.jpg, is also from the Doundoulakis archives at National Hellenic Museum. What shall you need further? I will do my best to acquiesce.

File:1943. Saboteurs John (Yanni) Androulakis, left, with Kimon Zografakis, at the time of the Peza oil depot sabotage..jpg

No worries, nonetheless! Thanks! Regards, Ben

PS: When I went to add the George Doundoulakis link to The 11th Day: Crete 1941, I edited the page since the writer had violated the vanity publishing rules, and was adding incorrect facts on OSS, etc. When the Battle of Crete took place, there was no wr between the US and Germany, hence, no OSS. Also, originator of the page had written, "Please direct the viewer to the Amazon site to purchase the DVD," an utter misrepresentation of Wikipedia The 11th Day: Crete 1941 policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigeez (talk • contribs) 22:08, 10 May 2018 (UTC) Bigeez (talk) 22:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Question about the recent deletion of File:Fokker PH-AEZ (31298393076).jpg

I see that you deleted File:Fokker PH-AEZ (31298393076).jpg today, with a link to Commons:Licensing as the only explanation. Apparently this file has been deleted once before, in June of 2017; on that occasion it was deleted because no license had been provided.

While I admit it's not a stellar photograph, I'm still puzzled and curious as to why it was deleted this time. The image comes from Flickr, on this page, provided by Archief Alkmaar Commons, the Flickr Commons section of the archive of the Dutch municipality of Alkmaar. The photo is marked with the Creative Commons Public Domain Mark 1.0 to indicate that it is in the public domain; in fact, all of the Flickr photos in Archief Alkmaar Commons semm to be marked in this way. Furthermore, I see there is a category for this mark, Category:CC-PD-Mark, so I assume this mark is considered to be significant on Commons, at least in some cases.

Is there some subtlety I missed or some tag I failed to apply that played a role? The photo is of a Dutch aircraft flying over a Dutch village, and was provided by a Dutch archive, so I would assume that Netherlands law applies in this case and that there is no outside entity claiming copyright or jurisdiction.

Any clarification would be appreciated.

--Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 03:40, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

George Doundoulakis

Hi Ellin, The pictures are from the archives of Doundoulakis in the National Hellenic Museum in Chicago. The newspaper articles of William Gordon are from the NY Herald Tribune, that stopped printing and closed in 1966. The pictures from the US Signal Corps are the US Army's newspaper from 1945; I believe they are public domain.

Cheers, Ben — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigeez (talk • contribs) 04:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bigeez: Please add your information to Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Bigeez, as nothing we say on talk pages will be included in the discussion over there. FYI, photos go into public domain 70 years after the death of the photographer, not the cease of publication of some newspaper which even so is not over 70 years in the past. I have no idea how to find licenses for the other items as you have not provided any links to source pages. Please continue any dialog at the deletion nomination - I only mention the 70 year period as you seem to be unaware. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Revision deletion

File:Windows XP wordmark.svg

Please delete all revisions uploaded after the one from Linfocito B in July 2009. (copyvios and reverts) Thanks! - Alexis Jazz 23:30, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Alexis Jazz: Done - except the version by Wcam which appears to be fine. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:24, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! The version by Wcam is just a revert to the 2009 version, so there is no need to keep it and it looks a bit strange now: why would Wcam revert to the current version? how could he even have done that as the current version never has a "revert" link? But there is no harm in keeping it either. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 20:20, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Question about your recent deletion of File:Fokker PH-AEZ (31298393076).jpg

(I posted this once before, but it got automatically archived before you resumed activity on Commons, so I'm reposting it, somewhat edited.)

I see that you deleted File:Fokker PH-AEZ (31298393076).jpg on May 10, with a note of "Copyright violation" and a link to Commons:Licensing as the only explanation. Apparently this file has been deleted once before, in June of 2017; on that occasion it was deleted because no license had been provided.

While I admit the photograph itself isn't very good, that's obviously not the issue here. I don't understand your reason for deleting it this time. The image comes from Flickr, on this page, provided by Archief Alkmaar Commons, the Flickr Commons section of the archive of the Dutch municipality of Alkmaar. The photo is marked with the Creative Commons Public Domain Mark 1.0 to indicate that it is in the public domain; in fact, all of the Flickr photos in Archief Alkmaar Commons seem to be marked in this way. Furthermore, I see there is a category for this mark, Category:CC-PD-Mark, so I assume this mark is considered to be meaningful on Commons, at least in some cases.

Is there some subtlety I missed or some tag I failed to apply that played a role? The photo is of a Dutch aircraft flying over a Dutch village, and was provided by a Dutch archive, so I would assume that Netherlands law applies in this case and that there is no outside entity claiming copyright or jurisdiction.

Any clarification would be appreciated.

--Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 09:58, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Colin Douglas Howell: The flickr source reads "The pictures on this Flickr account are free for everyone to use and are marked "no known copyright restrictions" and "public domain"." The template said the photo was from 1930 and there's no other information of source other than the flickr page. It is therefore impossible to verify the free license, since they don't seem to understand themselves what constitutes a copyright violation and what doesn't. Just because someone or some entity has a flickr page full of photos and says "no known copyright restrictions" does not mean they've done the due diligence to prove that this image is public domain. There's no other source, there's no complete date, there's no photographer name or studio name or provenance other than flickr. That you say "all of the flickr photos in Archief Alkmaar Commons seem to be marked in this way" and that they themselves only upload certain ones to Commons: "We also upload some pictures from our collections to Wikimedia Commons. You can find them here. [12]" from [13]. This shows that they themselves are not confident of the open permission they offer on flickr when it comes to uploading themselves here. As you know, Commons provides free hosting for provably public domain images. If you can find more information about this image, I'd be glad to continue the discussion. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Please chime in here, I need your help ASAP

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--Don (talk) 00:59, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) ANU section was removed:, I will say something on User talk:WPPilot. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 01:24, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
@WPPilot:: Looks like 2/3rds is solved, and Colin has explained the third one. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Zener Gold Medal HR.jpg OmegaMS

Dear Ellin,

Subject: Deleted Photo Zener_Gold_Medal_HR.jpg Author of the photo: OmegaMS The photo was taken with JVS camera, HD Hard Disk Camcorder, 3CCD, Everio, Model no GZ-HD7E, SER NO 11250645 in December 2017.

This is to confirm that I am the author of the high-resolution photo entitled Zener_Gold_Medal_HR.jpg. I understand that you are able to check all details to confirm my own work.

May I send you by e-mail explanation, technical details and several photos to illustrate, step-by-step, that the high-resolution photo of a high-purity gold object is my own work? In general, a photo of a high-purity gold object is difficult. Technical details and photos should readily help you to solve the problem.

Thank you very much in advance. Sincerely, OmegaMS P.S. I modified my password to OmegaMS today, as requested. Could you advise how I may provide photos by e-mail? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OmegaMS (talk • contribs) 16:20, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi OmegaMS: Please send your confirmation via the simple form located at COM:OTRS. Please do not send photos by email, the OTRS editors will be happy to assist you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Jcb sucked the life out of me

And you thought this was over.. It was only getting started. I overlooked things Jcb did because so far I considered those things to be tolerable, nobody is perfect and we all disagree sometimes. But now he crossed the line. I apologize for the length of this, I couldn't blame you if you just skimmed it.

Commons:Deletion requests/Getty Images photos from the TechCrunch Flickr account. Majora has proven to have some difficulties understanding copyright when he accused SLV100 of a copyright violation because he copied DRs, so their opinion when it comes to copyright should be taken with a grain of salt. Other than that, only Jcb was hellbent on deleting the images. So after the DR has been open for a week, Jcb decides on his own without arguments he's "not convinced", closes the DR and it's his way or the highway. We were discussing a way to get even more proof to OTRS (not that I think it should be needed..), but to Jcb it just.. doesn't matter.

He closed Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Trigger finger pretty quickly. This is actually the smallest issue I'm having. I had something to say, but couldn't because Jcb was pretty quick to archive the discussion, even though besides him, the user being reported and the reporter in question nobody else had any say. That may sometimes be enough, but when not everybody is happy yet at least let another admin close it in that case.

On Commons:Deletion requests/File:Lifegard.gif he is also about to just get his way. If he's right there may be a lot more on Commons for us to delete. He doesn't doubt the statements the source makes, he's just complaining about the lack of author. I don't think VisualFileChange can handle 736,100 files.

Finally, Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#Davey2010. WPPilot was not happy with the link on Category talk:D Ramey Logan. COM:CFD may be saying a link needs to be added to the talk page, but it's not a law. Nothing breaks if we don't. And it's not really needed in this case as it's unlikely the category will ever be nominated again. So what happened, in order:

  1. Davey2010 created the talk page with kept message.
  2. WPPilot (Don / D Ramey Logan) blanked it.
  3. Jeff G. reinstated it.
  4. I asked Jeff G. if he would be OK with it if I would hide the link in the source and just leave "The category was discussed and kept." in plain text on the page. Anyone who really needs the discussion will find it. Jeff agrees, I make the edit. WPPilot was happy.
  5. Davey2010 decides it's a good idea to go edit warring.
  6. Jcb reverts me and Davey2010 feels totally vindicated. If you read the discussion on Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#Davey2010, you will probably realize that's just about the last thing Davey2010 needed.

WPPilot has already been driven away from this wiki and if that wasn't permanent, Jcb's response to my question about his edit and his insult towards WPPilot should be sufficient to make it permanent.

And thanks to Jcb, I am starting to feel some sympathy for INeverCry. That's a pretty chilling thought.

I am probably going to take a break from wiki. I want to handle some ongoing cases first, but if I fail to take a break after that this can't end well. I can't say how long that break will be. The only indication I can give is that I've taken a break from an online community before like this. Radio silence lasted half a year and after that, I contributed very little. I don't know if this will be like that. I don't really know how to express the way I feel right now, but I hope you get it.

If you are left confused by this: I don't really know what I want you to do either. I don't know if there is much you can do. The things Jcb would have to say (and mean) to resolve this in peace are things I know he will most likely never be able to say. Maybe I just needed to tell someone. I don't know. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 21:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: I am really sorry that you feel anything but cherished and appreciated here on the project. I wish everyone here, including people with whom I've personally failed at some time could just get together and I think with a second chance we could work it out. But I know what you mean. It seems to be a thing; whichever admin is most active - either is or becomes a lightning rod of problems (ex: Fastily & INC). It's one reason I'm happy to be more than 15 down the list at all times. I was up in the top three at one point, and all this kind of arguing started on my head. I too feel some sympathy for INeverCry - after all I wouldn't be an admin without his encouragement and support - but only up to the point where he started abusing his knowledge and tools on the project. I see where you're coming from, and I know what you mean about not knowing how to express a strong emotion - but wanting to reach out. I'm not sure I can *do* anything other than offer emotional support. I'm here and on my email if you want to talk more. I am really sad that Don WPPilot has had so very many situations here on Commons that make him go away and feel as if he's not included or even excluded from participation. It started with his good faith efforts on Wiki being judged to be problems and that he doesn't like to back down when challenged. Those two together can be difficult in an online community situation - it's so easy to take offense at written English where the same thing said in person would not cause a problem. Example: The other day I returned the moving truck to the long-distance rental company. They asked if I had comments about its mechanical behavior, I said, "Certainly, it is a piece of shit! The lifters clank, the exhaust smells like a dead dragon and it makes the noises of hell from zero to 55 mph. If I were you I'd send it on a one way out of town before it needs a new engine or something expensive. But yanno, on the good side, the radio works really well." Now just written down, that sounds terrible!! But I said it in such a way that it was funny, and we all laughed and kept going and no one got mad. That's a problem with written English and no eye contact. Things we would say in real life, lose context and subtlety, and we're left with sharp points on which to hang up or die. I hope you don't leave. I really enjoy your contributions to the project, and offer my email if you want to continue discussion ... you too WPPilot, I haven't been ignoring you but I can't respond on boards if apparently "canvassed" which means "come to this page and help me out." I'd give you advice I got from a wise admin early on, "My email is over there <<<< just push the button." Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. For context you should know that even though my first uploads here are a decade old, I didn't become really active here until maybe half a year ago. So most of what I know about INC is the bad stuff. I'm all too familiar with misunderstanding written English, all it takes is misreading one "no" as "on" and an apology turns into an attack. But I don't think that's the case here. It's not his words but his actions. To respond to what you said on my talk page: "Just remember it takes two to tango; don't give people free rent inside your head.", you are right, but none of this would really bother me if Jcb hadn't been an admin. Davey2010 has shown worse behaviour, but I don't have to take anything from him. When Jcb reverts me, which I still believe was utterly and completely wrong, he vindicated Davey2010 and his disruptive behaviour. And because Jcb is an admin, I don't have to bother reverting him, that will only get me a block and nothing else. I don't have to bother reporting him either: he's an admin, so basically untouchable. I know there are procedures.. but those probably fail unless an admin is literally calling everyone a shithead.
I feel Jcb uses his additional rights not the way they should be used (when every other option has been exhausted), but too often just to get his way and make those who don't agree with him shut up. I'm no stranger to being a moderator, I know how it should be done. And I know Jcb is doing it wrong.
Too many words, too little change. One more thing: Commons:Canvassing. I've been accused of it as well in the past. I generally don't have a problem with it, unless it's used to change the outcome of a vote or somehow disruptive. If someone drags a few friends into a discussion who have good arguments for the side of the person who does the canvassing, I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think few people share that opinion. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 07:38, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
There actually is one thing you could do. Jcb had reverted me on Category talk:D Ramey Logan, even marking that as "minor". That's also the point where he inserted himself into the case, he could have easily walked away, but he chose to add fuel to the fire. You could revert Jcb. Davey2010 will feel slightly less vindicated and Jcb just might start thinking. If Jcb reverts you, that will say more about him than anything else. If Davey2010 reverts you, he'll be the first to run out of reverts anyway. I know I can't make you do it, but I hope you'll consider it. As you said "otherwise people with perhaps less than best behavior may push out good people", all it takes for bad people to win is for good people to do nothing. That being said: don't feel forced to do it. I think you should ignore the whole "canvas" thing. Just ask yourself: was Jcb right to revert me? (and to tell me to "Stop this nonsense!") If you think that maybe he was right, don't do it. (and please explain to me why it was right, because I'm unable to see it right now) If you don't think it was right, revert that edit. I'm obviously biased, so you need to decide for yourself. I'll respect either decision. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 23:12, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Alexis Jazz, I don't see much merit in discussing this more. Your attempt to remove the discussion link is very thoughtful and empathetic; but unfortunately it was treated by a different way by Davey2010 and Jcb. As it already happened and they have no plan to change their mind, it makes no sense to forcefully achieve this. All I can do now is to format it in a generic way as instructed here. I will not bother even if it will be reverted again (by any). Jee 02:49, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Please don't ping me inregards to this discussion - I've honestly reached that point where I honestly don't care anymore, Shit happens, Life moves on,
The discussion should IMHO stay as it's no different to any other discussion, The template change is fine because that's how they should be (the only reason it wasn't is because I didn't know the template name and I thought template:Kept was just for DRs),
I will say that if anyone wants any help with anything or wants some advice or whatever I'm always more than happy to help but in respect to this whole thing that's happened I'd rather we all forgot it and moved on, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk 03:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Davey. We all have our bad days/events and it happened here too. I too was frustrated as I was blamed for canvassing. Anyway, its over and time to move on. Thanks. Jee 03:42, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
To be clear, my request towards Ellin Beltz had not that much to do with Davey and more with Jcb. He shouldn't have jumped in the way he did, imposing his will on a debated case using his status as admin. He did not sooth the case nor did he resolve it. He just made it worse and removed any doubt of having done it due to ignorance by saying "Stop this nonsense!". About as important it also had to do with trying to grant WPPilot his (not really unreasonable or unfeasible) wish. @Jkadavoor: I didn't ping anyone on purpose (except you just now) and I'm not thrilled you brought this to everyone's attention. It didn't "already happen", this is a wiki and anything can change at any time. It may in part be due to cultural differences, we usually don't put a time limit on righting a wrong. Just "moving on" is not really our thing. Davey: the "ignore all rules" banner on your talk page really doesn't suit you. You obviously like enforcing rules. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 09:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Alexis Jazz, it is just a courtesy from my side to use wiki links if a user's name is mentioned. I will avoid it if someone explicitly asked. There is nothing more from my side to bring this discussion more attention. A crat's talk page usually watched by so many people, including me. (You can see dozen's of requests by Don on my talk page archives and I never stay silent to any requests. And in this case too. I've nothing more to do in this case; so EOD from my side.) Jee 09:51, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm neglecting to Ping Davey only per request above... @Jkadavoor:, @Alexis Jazz:: I have looked at the page to which you referred me and I really think that the way it is now is fine. There is no reason not to include a link to the discussion; the history shows all relevant changes. We have quite unfortunately alienated @WPPilot: who contributed many gorgeous images and truly enriched the Commons collections for most unfortunate discussions where egos came to play instead of adults to work. It is distressing to me to see actions taken with best of good faith - on both sides - ending up with a confusion of emotions and feelings such as this situation. I have many times wished for a device to roll back time, in this case I would have rolled it back years ago at Don's original problems with en:wiki. I feel if perhaps he'd had a mentor at that time, much if not all of the later problems could have been avoided. The Wiki family of projects is large, complex and the rules change from section to section - which can be confusing, frustrating and enraging for an average internet user who may or may not comprehend the scope and intent of the projects. Once unable to separate ego from system, situations escalate and arrive where we are now. I'm not going to take action here, but I am alerted to what happened and will be watching. I am sorry Alexis if you feel this is a deal-breaker; the only advice I can give is to keep working at whatever part of the project you may feel comfortable within. I once separated dot maps of cities across the U.S. when I didn't feel up to doing anything else. Other times I go to the images without categories from years ago and try to add categories. Or perhaps, you are just too mad and want to walk away for now or forever. Whatever your action as it will be the best for you - I support you. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
The reason was simple, WPPilot asked for it. (and maybe, just maybe, it would improve the chances of his retirement not being permanent) I would generally honor such requests from valued contributors. (unless they are very disruptive, which I don't believe is the case here) If you asked me to dye your hair purple and paint your skin green on a photo you uploaded here I'd do that too. No reason to ask questions.
Jcb continues. Typical example of deletion before collaboration, didn't even ask if I had heard back from California. Seven days passed means delete. We don't need and should not use humans for that. A bot can do that just as well, Jcb doesn't need to waste his time on that. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 00:02, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
And another user declares so long, and thanks for all the fish after more than a decade thanks to the toxic combination of Jcb and Davey. I'm curious what exactly drove INC to become what he is now, but if nobody puts a stop to this Commons will soon have to deal with half a dozen INCs.
All I'm saying is: somebody needs to tell Jcb and Davey to go fuck themselves improve their behaviour and communication. Preferably someone who is respected. Preferably someone who is capable of unblocking themselves. And if that task is left to me, that'll just be another precision F-Strike. (in the best case) Do you see where I'm going with this? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 03:12, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

sox and hoaxes

Hi Ellin, would you mind taking a look at the Commons accounts of User talk:BritishRoyalFamily2018 and User talk:Goldendeer324 and their contributions? These two are just a couple of the sockpuppets I've currently blocked at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kushalmoharaz for pushing the name Kushal Moharaz and creating hoaxes about him. (E.g., this one on Commons: [14]). Thanks, CactusWriter (talk) 19:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi CactusWriter: Sorry I forgot to send you the link to the results of your query, but I did poke at you from over there. Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:44, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your help, Ellin. I appreciate it. CactusWriter (talk) 00:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Ellin, So far as I can see you've closed down all the discussions ( combined, & individual 1, 2, 3 ) on the sock's files with a "deleted" comment but not actually deleted them?? Cabayi (talk) 07:07, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Cabayi: They say deleted now. I think there may have been a problem when I was last online. I'll be sure to check my very few other actions. Thank you for the heads up! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Original Barnstar
hello Ramiiiiiiiii 08:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ramiiiiiiiii ... Thank you !!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, profiles confused, sorry

Hi Ellin, I sent you a question but I mixed up the profiles and posted my question on your English wikipedia page ( I'm sorry. That was supposed to be here. Best, --Zeitungsente0815 (talk) 13:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up question to a not deleted picture

Hello Ellin, You're well-known within the German Wikipedia community as being one of the most experienced admins here. I have a question with regard to File:Johanna_Budwig.jpg. I proposed the picture for deletion but it was kept ( I don't understand the reason given. The picture was taken "ca. 1993" by a photographer called "Lothar Hirneise" and the origin of the picture is "iz knjige dr. Johanna Budwig: Rak - problem i rješenje, Omega lan d.o.o., 2007." Another user, "Darko Vujnović", released it then into the public domain. How can that be in accordance with our rules and regulations, I wonder? I thought that we need the permission of the photographer, an OTRS ticket. That is not present. As I understand it, Darko Vujnović copied the picture from the source website, without asking Lothar for permission. So, that is a double breach of laws, isn't it? Could you please explain that case to me? Thank you so much in advance! Leo --Zeitungsente0815 (talk) 10:53, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Zeitungsente0815, also pinging Ruthven as closing admin of Commons:Deletion requests/File:Johanna Budwig.jpg. I do have to agree with you that it doesn't seem adequately explained yet on the template, but as Ruthven is a highly experienced administrator, I'm going to ask him and not second guess. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:15, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Zeitungsente0815: the file might not be accepted by our actual rules, but it was by the time it was uploaded. GOF means that, if at the early times of OTRS (or even when OTRS was unexisting) the uploader wrote a satisfying explaination of how he obtained the rights, the file should be considered valid. There is no point in going to witch hunt on those old uploads. --Ruthven (msg) 16:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello Ruthven, Thanks for the reply. Although I can't see any explanation how the copyright was obtained by the uploader, I trust you on that one. It has nothing to do with a witch hunt, by the way, but more with equal rights and understanding the rules in effect on Commons. Thanks again, best regards to the both of you. --Zeitungsente0815 (talk) 07:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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Which Creative Commons license to use when I upload a movie poster?

Hi Ellin Beltz. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and especially Wikimedia Commons so I really need your help and guidance on this. I have tried uploading movie posters and album covers to add to the articles that they relate to, but all of them ended up being deleted because I didn't know which copyright or the Creative Commons license to use. (I don't even understand the difference between those two) For example can you please tell me which Creative Commons license to use when I upload a movie poster? Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 4.0, 3.0, 2.5 Creative Commons Attribution 4.0, 3.0, 2.5 Creative Commons CC0 Waiver — Preceding unsigned comment added by DLU (talk • contribs) 23:53, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi DLU: Please see COM:CB for a full discussion of movie posters & album covers. You may be able to upload tiny versions to your local Wikipedia project under "fair use," but that is something to check with the rules of each project; some of them are very different! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Copyright violation

Dear user:Ellin Beltz, I have read your doubts about the copyright of the photos Roberto_Brambilla and simil. I took these photos from the official website of the composer ( because in the page clearly expresses a declaration of No copyright: "Nella presente pagina sono contenute le foto del compositore Roberto Brambilla. Le fotografie non sono soggette a copyright e sono di libero utilizzo" This page contains the photos of the composer Roberto Brambilla. The photographs are not subject to copyright and are free to use. Can you remove with this declaration the copyraght violation? All the best, Lucamodena (talk) 17:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

The discussion needs to happen at the deletion nomination; I have pinged you over there with the answers. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I took that shark tooth photo

I did take that shark tooth photo and i did edit its back ground. the only source you will find this photo is here and if you can hack into my phone (disclaimer that is something you should not do) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubblesorg (talk • contribs) 17:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bubblesorg, Please discuss at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Physogaleus tooth.jpg as requested on your talk page. Nothing mentioned here has any bearing on the DN's of those images. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

File:Crystal Clear accepted bot.png

I re-created the file (properly), but I suspect too late to stop commons delinker on lots of pages. I manually reverted the template "Bot" on en-wiki, no idea if there are lost of other wikis without an image. Any suggestions? Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:11, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

That's a good question, and one for which I don't have an easy answer. It's probably fine, if a project page lost the file, my name will be on the Commons Delinker action, and now I know the name of the replacement file - we can fix any that come up. I do get a lot of emails from people "You ate ____ picture," and so I get to find new ones and replace. Also replace when I find higher quality images, etc. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:09, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Good or bad?

Hi there. I see you deleted this file. Is the new copy ok...[15]. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Magnolia677, I'm not an OTRS editor, but it appears to be ok. A larger version would be preferred. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:44, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

File:Turkish soldiers with a head cut off.jpg


Can you tell me what was the license for this photo? and why the license was not good? It was an anonymous image of the 30s used by different wiki. The website has a copyright license for its own photos here this is not the case...

As for the Turkish soldiers cutting heads (30s or recent years) there are other pictures, for example: [16] (source: Kafa kesmenin kısa tarihçesi, w:tr:Ayşe Hür, w:en:radikal (12/10/2014))

Please watch also this discussion here... Thanks--Ghybu (talk) 20:17, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Deleted Image of Passione di Cristo

Hello, about the deletion of several images concerning the Christ's Passion in Italian it.wikipedia, I have the copyright because I'm the event organizer and all photographer let me all the copyright permissions. Also the site is my property. I hope that images will be maintained on commons. Many thanks--Il Diamante (talk) 11:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

wrong authorship

Why is that a reason for deletion? --Itu (talk) 14:36, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

If the author cited is incorrect, the license can't be right either. BTW, this is the upload template: == Summary =={{Information |Description ={{en|1=irkdjdfikfdkjdf}}{{fa|1=sdfsdfsdf}}|Source =lkljohdjfdpldujgfvk|Author =fiogjrlrofkrjuf,|Date =sdfsdfsdfsdf|Permission =sdfsdfsdfsdf|other_versions =sdfsdfsf}}sdfsdfsdfsd== Licensing =={{cc-by-sa-2.5}} The cutout was terrible, there was a huge white border around the edge showing that it did not come from the version we already have, which is Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

File:Rdsgp2018 01.jpg - File:Rdsgp2018 20.jpg

As I found out, this deletion is probably a mistake: File:Rdsgp2018 01.jpg - File:Rdsgp2018 20.jpg. Our journalist was accredited to this event. But the conditions for accreditation meant placing of the organizer logo on photos. --sasha (krassotkin) 19:33, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Greetings Krassotkin: Watermarks are generally discouraged by Commons and actually will be removed. Were the files actually your work or the work of someone else? Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
  • I know. But the journalist must fulfill the requirements. Then we can do anything with these files. This is not about me, but about journalist (User:Frolzart). These are his photos. He has been attending various events for many years, then uploads photos to Commons and creates photo reports in Wikinews. He never let us down. I tend to trust him. --sasha (krassotkin) 20:04, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
  • I sent you a original file from this series by email. --sasha (krassotkin) 09:53, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
@Krassotkin:: I'm very sorry but the email system here doesn't accept attachments and that's irrelevant anyway. The problem is that the logo on the pictures says it was taken by someone else than Frolzart. We have many pictures by Frolzart, none have watermarks. I'd be happy to suggest that he use the simple email form at COM:OTRS or reply to me directly; I really have few other options. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:00, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
  • There were no attachments. Here is the file. I explained above what these logos say. These are his photos (you can see an original), but he has obligations for this accreditation. He does not speak English. Please tell me what other doubts have remained and what exactly they consist of. I will try to resolve these issues. --sasha (krassotkin) 18:28, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
@Krassotkin:: Here is the list of administrator's by language, perhaps the user can communicate with someone in his own language if that is the issue. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ellin. I have restored the files after a request of a Russian OTRS agent (I have myself no access to OTRS). Thanks for considering.--Ymblanter (talk) 05:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Un-deletion of File:Steven Murphy Musée d'Orsay 2012.jpg

Hello Ellin, I only just noticed that the image I used for a Wikipedia article has been deleted. I understand why, and unfortunately I forgot to update the discussion thread with 'evidence' to show that the photo and its source is authentic. The photographer finally sent me the original image and it turns out that it is cropped (by the photographer), and it also shows the subject's wife in it; but nevertheless it's original and his copyright. The photographer also sent an OTRS verification email at the end of May. I can get the ticket number off him if that's helpful? Looking forward to your response. Amana22 (talk) 10:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Amana22:: Greetings, the OTRS editors can restore the image when appropriate permissions are received. They do have a bit of a backlog, but they do and will get to the image. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:27, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Multiple files at File:Wassabi IMG 1372 (2596797731).jpg

Could you please join us at User talk:Ionutzmovie#File:Lora - Wassabi IMG 1372 (2596797731) (cropped).jpg? It relates to an image you deleted. DMacks (talk) 09:16, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

  Done Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Deleted Image of Passione di Cristo

Hi, Ellin , i release images with "Immagini rilasciate con licenza libera Creative Commons By Associazione Il Diamante - Davide Mindo" could you restore images please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Il Diamante (talk • contribs) 11:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

@Il Diamante:: Please see your talk page where I have already replied to you "Greetings: I believe the issues you raised on my talk page have been answered in the prior section. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2018 (UTC)". Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


Hi. A just noticed this, but the file is still there, undeleted. ——Chalk19 (talk) 13:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Done! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:33, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Plastic Tears - Miss Stumbling Legs image


How do we mark the copyrights etc. to be able to use our image without deletion? The file I'm talking about was removed a couple of days ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkPistolero (talk • contribs) 10:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi DarkPistolero, Please discuss at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by DarkPistolero, nothing we discuss on talk pages will influence the closing administrator. Please see COM:L for discussion of copyrights! In a nutshell, you can't claim "own work" unless you yourself created the image. If the actual creator will give permission to something you uploaded, they do so via the simple email form at COM:OTRS. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:02, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

If you have a moment...

Would you have a moment to look at Commons:Deletion requests/File:A small cup of ice coffee from 85C Bakery Cafe 20151120.jpg? I submitted it as a copyright violation, but it ended up as a deletion request. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 14:24, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

@Magnolia677:: This happens when an admin doesn't perhaps think there was enough info to copyright violation it. Please read the discussion over there to see the logic! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 17:57, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Nina Paley images

Can you take a look at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Binksternet and give your opinion? Thanks. Binksternet (talk) 02:14, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Ninth Grade Class Uploads

Hi.. you deleted File:Prendas y colores tradicionales de Mexico.jpg. I am not doubting the action but I need to know who uploaded it in order to give them a zero and a discipline report for plaguarism. How do I find this info?Thelmadatter (talk) 16:38, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thelmadatter: See ... Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:41, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Also, Thelmadatter, there were several others uploading from internet. These are being handled in two ways (1) nominations and (2) deletions, as follows

Deletion Nominations

Deleted as copyright violations:

Thank you for keeping a watchful eye on your students! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:03, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Thanks for follow up Ellin on the ones that weren't clearly taken from online via search. I would add Thelmadatter that some of these are not clearly items that are a disciplinary issue necessarily. So for example, it's maybe unfair to expect a 9th grader to know that Mexican currency is covered under copyright. Many of our regular contributors likely don't know that without stopping and looking it up. GMGtalk 17:14, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Utterly no argument GreenMeansGo! I nominated those which I did not feel 100% certain were copyright violations that would be understood by regular person. I usually do that, even if the Commons community would find the DN "cut and dried," part of what we do here is to help our users become productive contributors and that education happens in DN! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
No argument here either. I did not know Mexican money had copyright. Im going for those who ripped off pics from the Internet as we specifically talked about NOT doing this in class. As you can see, one group listened to me (the "good" one) and the other did not. BTW, please keep this discussion up for a bit as I know at least one of these students is going to swear up and down to me that she did not copy from the Internet. Thelmadatter (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
  Done Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

House number

Look up house number in
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An Errant Knight (talk) 20:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Garczegorze parafia 2018.jpg


It looks like here: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Garczegorze parafia 2018.jpg you accidently deleted the high resolution one, as the low res was deleted while ago and redirecting to high res one. Could you please restore File:Garczegorze - church 03.jpg? Thanks. Paweł 'pbm' Szubert (talk) 09:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Pbm:   Done Thanks for pointing this out. Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Olimpio Otero

I believe I may have been the uploader of the image on Olimpio Otero. However, I never received a notification that the file had been nominated for deletion. Somehow I thought a bot informing the uploader was part of the deletion process. I may be mistaking it with the process in the English WP; not entirely sure. I'd like you thoughts/comments on this if you don't mind. Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 03:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mercy11... If you go to your Commons talk page... both notifications are there. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:13, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I should had been more specific and say "email notification". The odd thing is I had email notification turned on in my Preferences, the same as the English WP. Yet, I didn't get an email notification for LX's Olimpio Otero deletion request. Unless, of course, my Commons Talk Page isn't in my Commons Watchlist - which would be totally non-standard. Any other ideas? Thanks. Mercy11 (talk) 23:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Ali Divandari

Hi, the files you deleted here had OTRS permission added by an OTRS member User:Mardetanha. Consider this request please. Thanks. Hafez (talk) 19:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hafez: Already done from a ping from that page! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:16, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Hafez (talk) 12:54, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Files uploaded by Aspahbod

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Removal of photograph from John B. Bartholomew biography

I was informed this photo had been removed but was not given a reason nor instructions on how to make sure it is included with the biography of John B. Bartholomew on Wikipedia. Can you tell me what you need to reconsider adding it to the page? John B. Bartholomew, Jr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnybart2 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Johnnybart2: Please see Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Johnnybart2 for the details of what happened to the images uploaded. The nominating administrator wrote "Historical photos, documents and newspapers. Proper author/source and country of origin should be provided and license tags corrected." And since that was posted on 24 June 2018, by 29 October 2018 when nothing had been done to fix any of the details requested, they were deleted. Please see COM:L for more information about Commons Licenses, and the subpage COM:HIRTLE which is an overview. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Happy holidays 2019! ;-)

    * Happy Holidays 2019, Ellin Beltz! *
  • Merry Christmas! Happy New Year!
  • Joyeux Noël ! Bonne année!
  • Frohes Weihnachten! Frohes Neues Jahr!
  • Счастливого Рождества! С Новым годом!
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-- George Chernilevsky talk 08:55, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Hi Ellin Beltz, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to Commons,

   –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 18:40, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Out of scoper

Hey! You once suggested you'd help me with deleting rubbish. I think this guy is a good candidate. --Palosirkka (talk) 10:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Elizabeth Bruenig's photo is not a copyright violation. Can you please restore it?

Hi Ellin Beltz,

can you please explain the speedy deletion of the image from Elizabeth Bruenig? I have provided the link from where I have received the photo. I have credited the author as CC 3.0 requires. The website clearly links to CC 3.0.

It that is not enough, I have even emailed the author, as I have explained in my notes. Did any of the people involved in making the decision read my notes or are these all bot decisions without regard of human written messages?

Thanks! Emu14 (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Greetings Emu14: I looked at the page which was given as source for File:Elizabeth Bruenig February 2018.jpg, and do not find a 3.0 license. Sorry! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:11, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
((u|Ellin Beltz}} This is the link I have provided as the source:, and at the very bottom of the page there is the message, Unless otherwise noted this site and its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license. Maybe you looked at another page? The one given by the user who flagged the photo for deletion? They are unfortunately wrong. Can you please recheck the link I provided. Thanks! Emu14 (talk) 00:21, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Emu14 Actually your upload template gave an entirely different web source.
  • {{en|I also emailed the author mentioned on the website and she agreed to upload the photo here, provided her name is given (which I have done). The website links to CC licensing through this note: Unless otherwise noted this site and its contents are licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license.}}
The page given as the source did not have permission for the image. And your latest URL states "photo by Allie Henske." Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:24, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
I think there is a big misunderstanding here. I never gave as a link That came from the user @Patrick Rogel, who tagged the photo as copyright violation. When I uploaded the photo initially, I used only the Shorenstein Center link, and also attributed the author, as required by the license. I fail to see how attributing the author is a copyright violation. CC 3.0 asks for attribution, but it's still free to use, and the page where the photo is embedded, clearly links to CC 3.0. Thanks! Emu14 (talk) 00:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  Done Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:45, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pilford MedwinEdit

Hello, Greetings from Sussex, UK. I have removed one of the copyright tags which was placed there in error about nine years ago. Do I need to add another tag to the one still present for the image?

I do still own the book from where I sourced the photo. The photo is of a relative of mine who died around 1880 so I've no personal memory . There are other photos of him held elsewhere in the family so I can provide another. However he wasn't particularly notable, a solid country lawyer . A very kind man I understand who looked after his wayward brother (another distant relative)in later years.

The book from where I sourced the photograph is obscure and published in 1926. Obviouly the photograph of Pilford Medwin is from around 1875(?). William Albery was a local historian who died at a great age in 1947. Here is some information on him.

I do not believe this photograph is still subject to copyright for the reasons stated. It was my error to select the wrong licence information. Please could you help me select the correct licence banner? i Finally where else do I put this information? Dorkinglad (talk) 20:50, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

The image is from a photo of c1875 from a 1926 book that was not published in the USA. I hope this helps in your deliberations. I will delete image and replace if requested officially to do soDorkinglad (talk) 21:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dorkinglad You provided a pile of information, let's see what the closing administrator does. The problem is, how long ago did the photo's author die. If you can find that, please add it to the deletion nomination discussion page !! Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:28, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Erin, The original photograph was taken by Henry Padwick jnr (1828-1916), a friend of the Medwin family and an amateur photographer. His son John Cayley Padwick, gave permission to William Albery to use the photograph in his book 'A Parliamentary History Of Horsham 1295-1885' (1926).There is a web page on Henry Padwick Jr. Dorkinglad (talk) 13:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Dorkinglad - Great job on the research!! I have updated the file template on File:Pilford Medwin.jpg and withdrawn the nomination for deletion. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

File:Robert Louis Griesbach.jpgEdit

Hey Ellin Beltz, I've just seen that you have deleted File:Robert Louis Griesbach.jpg. I'm kind of surprised because after the first copyright violation information, I've uploaded a version of the picture that Mr. Griesbach released himself unter a CC BY licence on his website (I am talking about the picture without the microphone). Is there a chance to upload it again? --Xtextexte (talk) 20:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


Hello Ellin can we talk together i need know more about here Thank you --Gyan333 (talk) 20:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Gyan33: Please feel free to ask questions here or at the Village Pump! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
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